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Kyu Kage
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 Posted: 16-Dec-2002 16:42 Post subject: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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This is an offshoot from the TSM thread in General Discussion from the HMP site. In it, I presented a tech I came up with some time ago to appease my players.
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Reinforced Endo Steel
Description:
Designed to get the maximum effect from a mech chassis, the RES incorporates advanced mettalurgic techniques to create a tough alloy. This alloy increases the effectiveness of TSM, as well as allowing the mech to carry greater armour protection.
System:
-The RES takes up the same number of critical slots as Standard Endo Steel.
-It weighs the same as Standard Internal Structure.
-It costs 2.5x more than Endo Steel.
-It increases the effectiveness of TSM from x2 to x3.
-It increases the amount of armour the mech can carry, dependant on its weight. If 50t or less, it increases maximum armour points by 15%. If 55t or more, it increases maximum armour points by 20%.
-All armour locations (except the head) can carry up to the applicable modifier in extra armour.
Notes:
-Currently, this is an IS only technology.
-There is an option that increases internal structure points, but this is still experimental.
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| Posted: 16-Dec-2002 18:40 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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Interesting. Though I'm not sure it should be called Endo Steel. Any other metals we can mutate for the name?
But this is interesting indeed. I may make a test platform for this.
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2002 08:56 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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How about TSMIS? Triple Strength Myomer Internal Structure? Or you can just drop the Myomer part.
The one question I have on this is, what is the draw back on it? For what reason WOULDN'T you put this on a mech? It's far too good with too little bad to offset the difference. I suppose it doesn't require the normal TSM to be installed since it already has it's own type built-in.
The Bad: It only takes up the space of normal Endo Steel, but still the same weight as Standard Internal.
The Good: It increase the speed & strength of a mech by 3x it's normal as well as allow extra armor to be carried. And maybe even interal points.
It sounds good, but I dunno. Just doesn't seem well enough balanced to me. Maybe increase the heat needed to get the extra boost for TSM to like 12+ or something instead of 9+.
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2002 10:13 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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It doesn't come with TSM, it only inceases the effectiveness of TSM if it's installed.
Therefore, it's incredibly bulky all together.
And if you up the Crits that the Improved Ferro-Titanium (I think that's a better name) takes up a little, you have a significant downside. Maybe 16, or 18 criticals?
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2002 13:46 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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On 2002-12-17 10:13, CO_17thRecon wrote:
It doesn't come with TSM, it only inceases the effectiveness of TSM if it's installed.
Therefore, it's incredibly bulky all together.
And if you up the Crits that the Improved Ferro-Titanium (I think that's a better name) takes up a little, you have a significant downside. Maybe 16, or 18 criticals?
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And that's the catch!
After having this introduced into the campaign, it took a while for the players to realise they weren't piloting uber mechs.
Secondly, for a fun match, I gave my players a C-Bill Budget, and BV limit, to build a mech for a once off battle.
One of them turned up with a TSM equipped mech, with the RES and Ferro Armour! Plus an XL engine.
He'd put so much armour on the thing, the only weapons he had included a Sword and a pair of Standard Medium Lasers. No jumpjets, no extra heat sinks.
I think it was a 40t mech!
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| Posted: 17-Dec-2002 13:50 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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Also, the reason it was called RES, was that it was essential compunded Endo Steel.
Whilst it was taking up the same space, the Endo Steel had been combined with a few other alloys to create a very heavy structure base on which the mech could be built and operate, whilst still maintaining mobility.
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| Posted: 18-Dec-2002 09:47 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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I too would have to say you need to up the critical space to 16. 18 seems a little to high to me, since one of the major benefits of it is the extra speed boost from TSM, which is bulky in and of itself.
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| Posted: 18-Dec-2002 16:09 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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Honestely I think even 16 is to high, I rerely use the IS Endo due to its immence bulk, I would say as a drawback to it to either up the weight or make it NOT compatible with TSM. (Even though I would live to use it on my Legionnaire as it sits now) Or you could remove the Armor bonus.
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| Posted: 18-Dec-2002 17:15 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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The more I think about it, I have to agree with Stiner, drop the armor bonus, that makes it way too powerful. Though I do like the idea of increasing the "usefulness" with TSM and how bout MASC? I mean the problem with MASC, as it is writtne in Fluff, is that the Internal structure can't handle the stresses placed on it by the MASC system, thus, RES, seems to work better or at least naturally with MASC more so than TSM.
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| Posted: 19-Dec-2002 11:39 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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MASC is suppose to not be compatible with TSM though. So it would make sense that if you used this RES, you could not use MASC on the mech as well.
I might add that I don't know wht you wouldn't use Endo Steel on any mechs. Bulky as it is, it's the best weight saver next to Light Engines. I use ES on most every mech i make, and almost never use FF (it simply doesn't save enough weight vs standard to be useful compared to ES). And bulky as it is, I almost always have enough Crits to spare for it. Unless of course I try to slap on a mess load of DHS 
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| Posted: 19-Dec-2002 16:48 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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On 2002-12-19 11:39, Shadowking wrote:
MASC is suppose to not be compatible with TSM though. So it would make sense that if you used this RES, you could not use MASC on the mech as well.
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What I meant to say, was that I thought it made better sense, at least fluffwise wo in crease the usefulness of MASC than TSM.
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| Posted: 20-Dec-2002 07:10 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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Hmmmmm.
I don't know why I didn't put this up sooner.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
I really like i how it is, but I'll think about the options.
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| Posted: 04-Jan-2003 10:55 Post subject: RE: Reinforced Endo Steel |
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| I think maybe some of you guys missed the point. You say that it takes up way too many criticals, but then you say that its way too powerful. If it takes up too many criticals its obviously not THAT powerful. I think its a pretty good idea, although I dont know what mech I would use it on. Really the only way to make a good mech with it is to make it really slow, which defeats the purpose of having a hatchet and TSM, even though it would have thicker armor. Cool idea though.
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