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Karagin
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 Posted: 10-Jan-2003 07:13 Post subject: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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Here is my take on the P-Hawk as a Clan second line mech of the IIC variety...and it stays AT the normal weight of the standard Star League mech.
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Type/Model: Phoenix Hawk PXH-2C
Tech: Clan / 3025
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 45 tons
Chassis: Orguss PHK Model A Endo Steel
Power Plant: 270 Firebox Fusion
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: 6 Clan Standard 14X Series Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor Type: Compound H17 Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Series 7W ER Large Laser
2 Series 2FM ER Medium Lasers
2 Series XII Machine Guns
1 Series 1 Mk. 2a ER Small Laser
Manufacturer: Hector MechWorks Facility Beta
Location: Hector
Communications System: TJ6 "Bell" Integrated Communications System
Targeting & Tracking System: TRTTS Mark II
Type/Model: Phoenix Hawk PXH-2C
Mass: 45 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 75 pts Endo Steel 7 2.50
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LT, 1 RT)
Engine: 270 Fusion 6 14.50
Walking MP: 6
Running MP: 9
Jumping MP: 6
Heat Sinks: 13 Double [26] 6 3.00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 CT, 1 LL, 1 RL)
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 .00
Armor Factor: 153 pts Ferro-Fibrous 7 8.00
(Armor Crit Loc: 3 LA, 2 RA, 1 LT, 1 RT)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 14 23
Center Torso (Rear): 5
L/R Side Torso: 11 18/18
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 7 14/14
L/R Leg: 11 22/22
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 ER Large Laser RA 12 1 4.00
1 ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
1 Machine Gun RA 0 200 2 1.25
(Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
1 ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
1 Machine Gun LA 0 1 .25
1 ER Small Laser RT 2 1 .50
6 Standard Jump Jets: 6 3.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 3 LT, 3 RT)
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TOTALS: 24 64 45.00
Crits & Tons Left: 14 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 4,724,752 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,665
Cost per BV: 2,837.69
Weapon Value: 1,628 / 1,628 (Ratio = .98 / .98)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 25; MRDmg = 15; LRDmg = 5
BattleForce2: MP: 6J, Armor/Structure: 4/4
Damage PB/M/L: 4/3/1, Overheat: 0
Class: MM; Point Value: 17
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Jade_Dragon
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 09:29 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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At last the TRUE Phoxnis Hawk IIC is found, now we can ditch that FASA fake.
How about a variant that mounts on LPL and two MPLs and drops a heat sink or two?
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Karagin
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 09:36 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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Easy enough...I willing to bet there would at least be three variants that the Clans would come with for the P-Hawk and idea I had was to drop the LAM part of the P-Hawk LAM and go with that version as the end all for the series, do you think that is good idea or not?
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 10:39 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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I do not follow the question...spell it out please.
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Karagin
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 10:46 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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I am asking, if taking the LAM version of the P-Hawk (55 tonner) and removing the LAM conversion equipment and adjusting the weapons and such to fit Clan tech, would that be the best way to go to round out the series of mechs for the P-Hawk?
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 10:55 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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If you want to use the LAM as a base design for fluff reasons, go ahead. It might be interesting.
Otherwise that mech is exactly what the IIC should have been.
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 11:30 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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I believe the Phonix Hawk LAM was 50 tons. And to be honest other than LAM abilities it was no more impressive than the standard 45 ton version.
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 14:43 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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hey, its exactly what it should have been, BUT its not what they published and there for cannot be the IIC. to even suggest otherwise is like saying superman looks better in grey or that a GM should have designed a machine this way. its theres to do with as they please and if they publish the P-Hawk IIC at 80tons, then as much as i may disagree i have to accept it as standard.
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 14:50 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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IIRC, part of the purpose for making the thing 80 tons was to make it a nasty surprise. It still had the speed of the 45 ton version and cosmetically looked very similar. However, by upping the weight to that much they were able to add on twin UAC/10s and some machine guns as the armament.
The Griffen and Shadow Hawk both lost tonnage; it's all possible that the Pheonix Hawk can gain some.
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 15:27 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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I agree. Its a much better PHX IIC than the CBT/FASA atrocity.
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Jade_Dragon
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 16:09 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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Gain "some"? The thing pratically doubled in weight.
Hmmm....how about I design a Locust IIIC and make it say....100 tons...
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 19:55 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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Sure, if you can make it move 7/11....
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| Posted: 10-Jan-2003 21:57 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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Sounds like the 100 ton Hitman I once tried to do.
Honestly, tho, think of the idea behind the original Charger: an assault that had the speed of a medium. It's just that the Clans crammed some Ultra Autos on and used the name of a medium.
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| Posted: 11-Jan-2003 21:01 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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Disagree all you want, to me this is the P-Hawk IIC and the one from TR3055 is a mis-named assault mech...
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| Posted: 13-Jan-2003 09:29 Post subject: RE: A Better Phoenix Hawk IIC... |
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You know Kraken the FASA thing they call the Phoenix Hawk IIC does have more in common with the Charger Assault mech than the P. Hawk of the 3025 days.
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