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 Posted: 06-Mar-2003 06:09 Post subject: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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Taken from the Charlie Daniel's Band website.
An Open Letter To The Hollywood Bunch
Ok let’s just say for a moment you bunch of pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children had your way and the U.S.A. didn’t go into Iraq.
Let’s say that you really get your way and we destroy all our nuclear weapons and stick daisies in our gun barrels and sit around with some white wine and cheese and pat ourselves on the back, so proud of what
we’ve done for world peace.
Let’s say that we cut the military budget to just enough to keep the National Guard on hand to help out with floods and fires.
Let’s say that we close down our military bases all over the world and bring the troops home, increase our foreign aid and drop all the trade sanctions against everybody.
I suppose that in your fantasy world this would create a utopian world where everybody would live in peace. After all, the great monster, the United States of America, the cause of all the world’s trouble would have disbanded it’s horrible military and certainly all the other countries of the world would follow suit.
After all, they only arm themselves to defend their countries from the mean old U.S.A.
Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled mugwumps. get your head out of the sand and smell the Trade Towers burning. Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn did anything but encourage a wanton murderer to think that the people of the U.S.A. didn’t have the nerve or the guts to fight him?
Barbra Streisand’s fanatical and hateful rankings about George Bush makes about as much sense as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing.
You people need to get out of Hollywood once in a while and get out into the real world. You’d be surprised at the hostility you would find out here. Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked, long distance truck
driver that you don’t think Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong.
Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military that you think the United States has no right to defend itself.
Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally and see what the folks down there think about you.
You people are some of the most disgusting examples of a waste of protoplasm I’ve ever had the displeasure to hear about.
Sean Penn, you’re a traitor to the United States of America. You gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How many American lives will your little, ”fact finding trip“ to Iraq cost? You encouraged Saddam to think that we didn’t have the stomach for war.
You people protect one of the most evil men on the face of this earth and won’t lift a finger to save the life of an unborn baby. Freedom of choice you say?
Well I’m going to exercise some freedom of choice of my own. If I see any of your names on a marquee, I’m going to boycott the movie. I will completely stop going to movies if I have to. In most cases it certainly wouldn’t be much of a loss.
You scoff at our military who’s boots you’re not even worthy to shine. They go to battle and risk their lives so ingrates like you can live in luxury. The day of reckoning is coming when you will be faced with the
undeniable truth that the war against Saddam Hussein is the war on terrorism.
America is in imminent danger. You’re either for her or against her. There is no middle ground.
I think we all know where you stand.
What do you think?
God Bless America
Charlie Daniels
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2003 06:18 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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I couldn't help but think that Sean Penn's trip to Iraq was a bizarre echo of Hanoi Jane Fonda's trip to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War.
I've seen recent news stories where peace protesters have been arrested for trespassing and are whining about it. Gosh, whatever happened to believing in your point enough to suffer a little discomfort for it?
And those same celebrities, who somehow think because their job puts them in the public eye their opinion is more valid than Joe Sixpack, are whining about being "blacklisted". Well, if a producer doesn't want to hire an actor, for whatever reason, isn't that their perogative? After all, they are the ones shelling out the greenbacks to put the production together.
Blacklisting was a systematized refusal by the entire entertainment industry to employ people who refused to divulge information about their associates. Yet the entertainment industry even now blames the blacklist on the Joe McCarthy, as if their hands were entirely clean.
It amazes me that the people who hold "liberal" points of view are really only interested in hearing, and protecting themselves and their rights.
Makes me want to be shut of the whole miserable lot of whiners and expatriate myself. Hey, Alexander, any room up there?
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Jade_Dragon
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2003 09:36 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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Amen!!!!!!!
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Raven!
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2003 10:06 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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As one of those liberal anti war "idiots," i'm deeply concerned on two points.
1) since when is it illegal or immoral to express your view point?
and 2) why does being anti war mean you are anti military? I have no problem with haveing a military that is 12 years ahead of anything that any other country could throw at us. My problem is using it to fulfill the lust of american corporations.
Don't kid yourself. This war is about Oil, just as the Spanish-American war was about sugar cane. Granada was about United Fruit. I have no problem with self defense.
I have a problem with aggression in the name of profits.
Raven, who is really f-----g pissed off at the above and will happily show just how much he loves military hardware to anyone who DARES to tell him to shut the f--k up.
(edited by chihawk for language)
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Alexander
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2003 11:29 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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Makes me want to be shut of the whole miserable lot of whiners and expatriate myself. Hey, Alexander, any room up there?
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Sorry. We're all full.
Alexander
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2003 12:35 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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1) It ain't, but don't expect everyone to agree with you and when they do express a differing opinion it is valid
2) I would venture to say that there are a good number of people out there that are Anti-War AND Anit-Military.
3) So what is the US supposed to do, just sit by and watch?
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2003 13:09 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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Ask yourselves this?
Are we supposed to be the World's Police??? Are we supposed to be Big Business's Muscle???
Are we supposed to convince ourselves that the rest of the world doesn't exist, and protect only ourselves???
Are we supposed to just sit by and watch as people are killing each other for the sake of being different in any way???
Are we supposed to let anyone just kill us???
Are we supposed to hoard our posessions like Greedy Dragons???
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Pinhead
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2003 20:59 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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Raven,
I've seen your statement more than a few times, that this war is only about oil. I'd like to know what you base your declaration on? It must be something obvious, but I am somehow missing it.
Let's just pretend that We do go to war with Iraq, and after a few battles, we remove Hussein from power. Will Iraq become a satelite nation to the US? If not, what makes you think that whatever government that gets installed will ever deal us oil? There are enough fractured groups in Iraq such that there will be no centralized power in that country for decades. In fact, I would expect that a conservative muslim group would grab power there as soon as the US leaves. Anyone that has watched that region should have the same opinion.
So how do we get oil out of the deal? That arguement doesn't work.
It doesn't work in so many ways that it really is starting to irritate me when I see otherwise intelligent people point at it as the only reason for making sure Hussein can't hurt anyone.
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2003 22:13 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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I agree with Pinhead completely. It's so easy to fall back and say "it's all about the oil!" I've heard that so many times, but where is the evidence? Just because it's a middle eastern country it has to be about oil? Give me a freakin' break?
Why is it that so many Americans are anti-proactive. Sure, call it anti-war, call it whatever you want. I don't want to sit around and wait on my fat ass for someone to blow up two more buildings. I'd rather dig away at the root or even a branch before it happens! Believe what you will, I believe we should oust Saddam!
Go ahead with your free-speech and your point of views. Because I have mine as well. I suppose you all think we should just ignore North Korea as well? Of course we should, they have't done anything, after all. And if we do fight them for some reason, it'll be about oil.
I remember watching a special a few weeks back about South Korea and how they feel about us. I wasn't aware there is such an anti-american stance over there. What amazes me is it is all young people. People who aren't old enough to remember when North Korea almost drove them out of their homes. They are so naive as to not realize the only thing preventing them from being killed and routed by the north koreans is the US Military presence.
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| Posted: 06-Mar-2003 22:21 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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My apologies, but that is one of the most simplistic, assinine statements I've ever heard...Hussein is a threat to the world at large, and the war that may (and probably is) coming is coming solely to finish what should have been finished more than 10 years ago, when our f***ing bureaucrats in Washington, including that big fat one that has the initials CP, stopped our people from killing Hussein when they had him in their sights...
Having said that, I do have a problem with a war in Iraq at this time...why? Two words...
NORTH KOREA...
This nation is, without a doubt, a more clear and present danger than Iraq could ever hope to be to America at this time...it is a nuclear power, whose missiles can reach our West Coast, and whose leaders are insane enough to use them at the slightest provocation...and much of our leadership says that we don't need to worry about them...
Well, when a nuke strikes the San Andreas fault line and drops California into the sea, maybe they'll start thinking differently...
Do I support removing Hussein from power? Hell yes...but it should have been done more than a decade ago...my primary concern right now is North Korea...
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| Posted: 07-Mar-2003 01:14 Post subject: not about oil |
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That does not make sense, as taking the country would not yield increased oil production in the long run and reduces availability in the short run.
Also, if our troops were not there giving the constant threat of war Saddam Hussein would be laughing in the face of the UN inspectors. Who else is going to put force behind their words? France? Germany? Not likely.
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| Posted: 07-Mar-2003 01:18 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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It's all about the oil.
So what? Even assuming it is, it would certainly not be the first time sabers were rattled over economic reasons. In fact, every war in history had, at its heart, an economic rationale.
And before you criticize our need for oil you'd better check your hypocrisy meter. Look around wherever you happen to be when you are reading this. Everything you are looking at. Everything you are wearing. Everthing in your pockets was, at some point in its life moved by a transportation infrastructure that would grind to a halt without that oil. It's not just gasoline and home heating that relies on oil, it is commerce that relies on oil.
Not to mention the fact that Saddam not only possesses chemical and biological weapons, but has an established track record of using them on military and civillian targets.
I said it in another thread. Look up Neville Chamberlain and understand the critical fault he made that sentenced 40 million people to death.
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| Posted: 07-Mar-2003 06:28 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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How does that saying go? "Evil cannot win unless good men do nothing." That is just about the simplest and most obvious thing a person can ever hear. It is on the same level as "If you walk into the Sahara desert without any water you're gonna die." What kind of fool can fail to understand it?
The kind of fools in this ridiculous anti-war movement and the fools who oppose the cause of good vs. evil in Europe, that's what kind of fools.
Evil will never, ever JUST GO AWAY ON ITS OWN. It must be opposed if it is ever to be stopped.
The situation with the anti-american movement in South Korea is the same deal as here in the USA. It is what happens when the univerities in any country are controlled by a bunch of educated morons who insist that socialism and communism can work (no matter how many times they haven't) if only we give up everything we have in the world and give it "just one more try."
And for those who think North Korea is not a threat either, remember how we spent a decade just giving our gold to those people in the form of oil and food in exchange for an agreement they didn't even spend 5 whole minutes living up to? (Gee, thanks yet again Mr. Clinton) (And might I add giving them all that gold for free was a most undragonlike thing to do. But America does this sort of thing all the time.)
When Bush said that he was thinking about cutting off the shipments of oil and food paid for with AMERICAN TAX MONEY, that lunatic in Pyongyang immediately and bluntly announced that any form of sanction or punishment imposed by Bush would be counted as an ACT OF WAR and would be avenged with all weapons at their disposal. And yes, he was specifially talking about that 4 billion bucks a year worth of free ride from us.
In other words the North Koreans said "Keep giving us something for nothing or we'll kill you."
What kind of fool can hear that said and fail to understand that we now have a North Korean gun pointed at our heads?
What kind of fool fails to understand that you cannot negociate with terrorists?
The longer I live, the more I believe that allowing anyone to vote just because they're 18 or older is a real dumb thing. There should clearly be some sort of quiz involved to judge a person's basic ability to view a situation through the eyes of logic and reason.
Needless to say almost everyone in Hollywood would flunk this test.
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| Posted: 07-Mar-2003 08:16 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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Most 18 year olds would fail. They haven't had the time to explore all of the options/repercussions of their vote. The Hormones haven't let up just yet.
As for Hollywood, they deal in Dreams. I'm always amazed at the amount of provocation we can take. 12 Years of it, and many still want to give more time. By the time they decide to do something, how many have had to die, to see a BS artist for what he is. These are Hollywood's finest BS artists, they should be able to see one of their own. He's acting, posturing, fleecing, lying cheating and stealing, yet they can't tell???? They need to take off those ridiculous Rose colored Glasses... 8
Sorry, I'll get off the SoapBox now... NEXT!
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| Posted: 07-Mar-2003 11:19 Post subject: RE: Charlie Daniels speaks his mind |
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Funny thing is, I hate the idea of going to war with another country.
I design things we will use in such a battle, and I've actually woken up at night in a cold sweat after dreaming about being on the receiving end of some of this stuff.
Anyone who is looking forward to going to war, either isn't actually going, or needs his head examined.
But, there are some things that when pushed just have to be done. During the Gulf War, the reason we did not remove Hussein, was that to get the agreement of the countries we used as bases in the middle east, we had to guarentee them that we would not remove him.
The theory at the time was that he was a known bad, and that he could be controlled by the world community. If he was removed the power vacuum at the top of Iraq would destabilize not only Iraq, but the surrounding nations. Most of the middle east is actually rather afraid of the radical Muslim clergy taking over and removing the elite from power.
I am guessing, but I think you would find the roots of certain Saudis being tied into terrorism is exactly that. They have a fifedom, and are very much at risk. As long as the oil pays for a large part of their population to have a decent standard of living, they are OK. If anything affects that oil, they are screwed.
I am not looking forward to going war with Iraq, but unfortunately I really think it needs to be done.
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