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Slythis
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 Posted: 15-May-2003 22:29 Post subject: New Story |
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With School over with and Graduation coming up this sunday I'm going to have a lot of free time, so I was considering starting work on a new story, just for kicks but if it turns out good enough who knows?
Storyline,
It'll be set in the near future of this Dimension. Someone (need ideas on who) creates and sets off a weapon that causes the physics behind Gunpower to cease working (things like TNT still work however)Without the guns needed to control the populations poorer countries fall into anarchy and without the trade of the smaller nations the larger ones begin to break up into smaller and smaller nations.
The story begins 50 years after the loss of guns and will follow 3 different groups of people in different parts of the world as they slowly gain control of larger and larger territories until the three of them begin to fight each other.
Well whats everyone think? sound cool? a little farfetched? or boring?
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 16-May-2003 01:10 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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i'll give it a once over atleast, maybe twice.
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Nightmare
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| Posted: 16-May-2003 05:00 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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Gunpowder weapons aren't really enough to explain losing control of countries. Many of those poor places aren't really in control anyway, except on a map. Go out a bit from the capital and deal with the local clans who don't give a fig about any government types. You'll find this in a lot of African and Middle East countries.
It's actually many of the richer nations that risk falling apart, IMO. There are some ethnic and other groups that have been dreaming of independence for a long time. If the central government loses control and the money flow dries up several European nations may be divided. Britain, France, Germany, perhaps Spain too. Hungary? Hmm, have to look up my history books. Point is, there are still nations here that were arbitrarily drawn up after some war with no regard to ethnic groups. Some of those may want independence or at least to join another country...
Not that I think the US would fare any better, Texas and California are both big enough to survive as independent nations. How long will they want to support the idiots in Washington, DC, if things go bad? Canada has some trouble with Quebec, not that they really want independence right now. The feeling may change if the money dries up.
Mexico, now there's a place that's held together by guns. Many of the others have rebel groups too. The larger ones aren't necessarily in control to start with, but most of those separatist groups are too small or poor to matter to outsiders.
Asia. Ouch. The former Soviet states are made up of many groups, some of which do want independence. It's a bloody mess waiting to happen. What to do if China falls apart? Nothing. Japan will probably stay in some sort of order anyway, just by force of tradition. Vietnam too, they've seen quite enough of war. Many others will not. Myanmar, Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines. Ouch. Australia will just sail on as before, the aborigines may cause trouble in the outback but who cares?
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 16-May-2003 07:45 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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I had a simillar Idea, but it was loss of Petroleum.... No Gasoline, Heating Oil, Natural Gas or anything that is made with it... Think about it....
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Slythis
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| Posted: 16-May-2003 14:11 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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Thanks Nightmare thats exactly the kind of input I was hoping for (and expecting), I do need to rethink who falls first and that sort of thing, but I was planing on doing a bit of resaerch before I got started.
Sir Henery, I think I've read a novel (or atleast heard of one) where someone developed a bacteria to help clean up oilspills but instead it got rid of ALL oil and oil based products (Rubber, Plastic, everything)
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GeoAvanti
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| Posted: 16-May-2003 14:49 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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On 2003-05-16 14:11, Slythis wrote:
Thanks Nightmare thats exactly the kind of input I was hoping for (and expecting), I do need to rethink who falls first and that sort of thing, but I was planing on doing a bit of resaerch before I got started.
Sir Henery, I think I've read a novel (or atleast heard of one) where someone developed a bacteria to help clean up oilspills but instead it got rid of ALL oil and oil based products (Rubber, Plastic, everything)
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Well, personally, I must say that I may only give this a once over, but here is something really interesting (that is possibly true) to try instead.
The Milky Way is set inside of a kind of "Space Bubble", where the physics of the area inside are radically different from that outside. What would happen if this so called bubble popped? There is also another belief that the area inside the bubble is aging much slower than that outside. This is a theory right now, and could make one hell of a sci-fi book.
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Slythis
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| Posted: 23-May-2003 00:11 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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ok, I'm about to start work on a description of what happened to most modern countries, day to day life of the average joe in the each major cultural areas, changes in combat, Relations between survivor states, and whatever else comes to mind.
Current Thoughts:
(Countries)
North American:
The U.S.A. would last only as long as the money held out. Below is a list of possible sucsessor state.
(The Republic of California)
California would be a dominant power, likly taking control of Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, the Baja Peninsula, Parts of Utah, and maybe even British Columbia depending on the fate of Canada.
(Six(?) Star Republic)
Texas would likly expand it's infulance into Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arkansas, Louisiana, and down to Mexico City or farther.
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Idaho, Montana, Colorado, and Parts of Utah would likly unite under the same leadership.
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Nouth and South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconson, Michagan, Ohio, Indiana and Missouri would similarly unite.
Hawaii breaks off on it's own
I'm Unsure of the fate of the rest of the states.
Canada: Holds togather fairly well, Quebec is gone but Alasaka joins giving them acsess to it's Oil. (Unsure)
Mexico is gone, along with most other central American Countries.
South America: Most of the Contenant stay relativly stable, though some of the northern nations break apart.
Europe: The U.K. would most likly hold togather well, as well as Ireland, the Scandanavian countries, and most of the small western european countries such as Switzerland. France (unsure, they'll probly be carved to peices by their neighbors or they'll join the UK [not likly]) Germany (?) Spain (?) Italy (Welcome back Doge of Venice?) and Portugal will hold togather as usual. Most Eastern European countries will degrade into tiny warring factions, Ukrane, Poland, Greece and Turkey are about the only exceptions, and Russia is gone, sliced into hundreds of thousands of tiny nations.
Asia: China will suffer the exact same fate as it did at the end of the second century. (splits into hundreds of nations but after some time will be united into 3),India Stays India, same with Vietnam Mongolia and Japan, most other nations break up into city states.
Australia doesn't cange at all even the cultural changes that effected other urban societies changed things although security is somewhat tighter in the cities.
Middle-east: Chaos.
Africa: (?)
(Cultural)
Large cities begin to fall out of favor as looting and Riots quikly get out of hand. Semi fortified cities of 100,000 or less begin to pop up on Rivers. Generally speaking Day to day life does not change much as most technologies still function (even Civilian explosives not suited for guns) Cars and other gas using machines rapidly fall out of favor due to the price of oil and gasoline.
(Combat)
Basicly we're talking the middle ages with modern materials and Vehicals. Due to the wide-spread use of Kevlar in the more advanced nations most projectile weapons are usless. Ratton Armor is used in Southeast Asian Militaries and is nearly as effective as Kevlar.
I'm considering having remant militaries of America and the U.K. posess Rail Guns but they're so large that they're only useful on Battleships, Shore Defence Guns, and other VERY large artillery.
Well sorry for the long post, any input is appriciated. Oh, and if anyone else is interested in writing a part of the story please E-mail me or contect me otherwise.
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| Posted: 23-May-2003 10:30 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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Speaking as a Louisiana Cajun: "Texas will rule my state when it's cold day in hell!" Of course, Rebels can always make things interesting. lol Looks good.
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Slythis
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| Posted: 23-May-2003 12:27 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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On 2003-05-23 10:30, CO_17thRecon wrote:
Speaking as a Louisiana Cajun: "Texas will rule my state when it's cold day in hell!" Of course, Rebels can always make things interesting. lol Looks good.
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Wich was my exact perpose in putting Louisiana under Texan Rule. 
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| Posted: 23-May-2003 14:12 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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I do find it interesting that you believe that the USA will only stay together as long as there is gunpowder and money involved, yet it looks as if most other major countries end up fairly stable.
I could see the larger cities becoming unstable as the federal monies which keeps them up and running dries up, but I tend to doubt the country as a whole would break up cleanly. With our history (civil war) on State's rights, I tend to believe any sort of succession would be met with overwhelming force.
Gunpowder is not the only mechanizm for a weapon, in fact if gunpowder was gone, I would expect the USA would be one of the few nations still capable of defending itself.
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Sir Henry
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| Posted: 23-May-2003 15:51 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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Laser cannons???? 
Swords and Daggers...
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Slythis
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| Posted: 23-May-2003 21:10 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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I do find it interesting that you believe that the USA will only stay together as long as there is gunpowder and money involved, yet it looks as if most other major countries end up fairly stable.
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It's the size, Rome had the same problem, it's impossible to defend itself well, it's not so much that the nation would cease to exist but it would be more of a tradition than government, it would have no real power. The Sudden loss of guns, missles, bombs and most other weapons aside from the most basic would leave the USA more vulnerable than most other (older) nations, we've never existed in a world without guns.
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Talen
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| Posted: 23-May-2003 21:27 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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In my opinion this story doesnt make much sense. I doubt any established governments would collapse. The ones that would have the worst problems would be the ones that are currently in a state of turmoil. Hell, it would end a lot of Coup attempts in smaller countries.
And its not like police forces use ONLY ballistcs as means of weapons and control. Tear Gas and tazers are just two things off the top of my head. Ooh...and fire hoses. America would not be vunerable to any other country's attacks, simply cause whatever anyone is going to attack with, the Americans willa lso have available. The Chinese would be the biggest threat, due to the fact that they have a billion people they can use as human shields.
Nukes would still work, as they dont use conventional forms of explosives. And here is the biggest reason a lot of major countries would survive. They have the money to devolpe new forms of weapons faster than any other country. The conspiracy theorist in me is pretty sure we are working on lasers as potable weapons...maybe tanks...possible jets. I also think sonic weaponry is a very real and potential weapon to be made.
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| Posted: 23-May-2003 21:41 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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Nukes might not work, consdiering they have a layer of HE to compress the fissionable materion in the first place.
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Pinhead
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| Posted: 24-May-2003 17:03 Post subject: RE: New Story |
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I can think of a variety of weapon systems that are out there right now, and do not use explosives as their main catalyst.
Some of the hand held laser systems are not things I would want to go up against.
You have to remember how much raw coinage we put into developing new weapon ideas each year, and imagine how many odd ideas that are explored.
The Soviet Union folded their military might not too long ago due in part to the release of the specifications of an aircraft that made most of their radar systems obsolete. There were even rumors that that we had better, and the russians would have had to completely upgrade/redesign their radar systems. Funniest part is.. The basic design concepts were taken from a Russian Radar Designer. They didn't have the capital to explore the concepts. Read a book by Ben Rich the head of the Skunk Works if you get a chance it is very interesting.
In terms of quick reaction.. I tend to doubt there is any country in the world other than maybe Isreal who could respond quickly to such a change. We have the capital and the minds, they have the need.
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