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Sleeping Dragon
Draconis Combine
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One possible way to go is the BA variant.
This isn't APC, the troops walk with the tank to combat, or they act like scouts before it moves around and the Fist engages any armored target encountered (yes, Panzergrenadiers  ).
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Stinger
The Knights of Chaos
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| Posted: 04-Jul-2005 04:36 Post subject: RE: Fist MBT redesign |
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Bleh, the HGR is overrated.
2 ppc =14 tons and produce 20 points of heat. 20 heatsinks +14 tons os PPC = 34 tons. Not really feasable.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 04-Jul-2005 04:39 Post subject: RE: Fist MBT redesign |
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No, you can't have DHSs on vehicles, PPCs (14t) + heat sinks (10t) - ER lasers (2t) = 22t, HGR (18t) + ammo (4t) = 22t. Nothing to gain and the HGR gives it more Lyran flavor.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 04-Jul-2005 04:43 Post subject: RE: Fist MBT |
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No vehicle designing program available to me, use the data provided here if you want to. What do you think about the redesign?
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Executive_Outcomes
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| Posted: 04-Jul-2005 05:29 Post subject: RE: Fist MBT |
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On 2005-07-04 04:43, Sleeping Dragon wrote:
No vehicle designing program available to me, use the data provided here if you want to. What do you think about the redesign?
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try this little puppy
http://users.bigpond.net.au/executive-outcomes/vcf.exe
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Seraph
Blighted Sun Battalion
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| Posted: 04-Jul-2005 07:19 Post subject: RE: Fist MBT redesign |
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Sorry, you gain a freedom from ammo dependance plus consistant damage over range. Also the two PPC's allow you to fire at two targets.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 04-Jul-2005 07:22 Post subject: RE: Fist MBT |
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I have it already, but my computer is out of order and I'm not allowed to install it here.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 04-Jul-2005 07:28 Post subject: RE: Fist MBT redesign |
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I don't like to repeat myself, but ...
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On 2005-07-03 06:28, Sleeping Dragon wrote:
Actually I built it for the HGR and fusion engine is necessary for it.
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No removing of the HGR!
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Seraph
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| Posted: 04-Jul-2005 07:30 Post subject: RE: Fist MBT redesign |
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I'm not sure I heard you...could you repeat that? 
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 04-Jul-2005 07:44 Post subject: RE: Fist MBT redesign |
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YES!
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On 2005-07-03 06:28, Sleeping Dragon wrote:
Actually I built it for the HGR and fusion engine is necessary for it.
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No removing of the HGR!
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Karagin
Imperial Karagin Army
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| Posted: 04-Jul-2005 08:16 Post subject: RE: Fist MBT |
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It's decent. You can still get the Vehicle Factory in the download section I believe and I think there is one more freeware vehicle maker running around out there too.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 07-Aug-2005 14:30 Post subject: RE: Fist AST redesign II |
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Fist Armor Support Tank
IS heavy tracked vehicle - level2
tonnage: 75t
internal structure: 7.5t
engine: 225 fusion 15t
MP 3/5
heat-sinks: single 10 0t
control equipment: 4t
turret: 1t
armor: Ferro-Fibrous 188 10.5t
armor
front: 45
R/L side: 33/33
rear: 32
turret: 45
Weapons and ammo allocation tonnage
heavy gauss front 18t
heavy gauss (12) body 3t
2 ER laser (M) turret 2t
streak SRM-6 turret 4.5t
streak SRM-6 (15) body 1t
Infantry body 8t
Second redesign. The tank now has less
armor and HGR ammo, but it can carry two
squads of Battle-armored troops.
The cost is higher too, because of the FF armor.
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bladewind
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| Posted: 08-Aug-2005 01:22 Post subject: RE: Fist AST redesign II |
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3 tons of HGauss ammo is too little.
For the Hgauss at least 16 - 20 shots makes it more viable. Downgrading the Streak to a regular 6 or Streak 4 might be a good idea though.
Nice touch on the BA ! i can imagine the enemies face once he meets up on 2 BA squads with that monster tank.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 08-Aug-2005 10:03 Post subject: RE: Fist AST redesign II |
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Fist Armor Support Tank
IS heavy tracked vehicle - level2
tonnage: 75t
internal structure: 7.5t
engine: 225 fusion 15t
MP 3/5
heat-sinks: single 10 0t
control equipment: 4t
turret: 1t
armor: Ferro-Fibrous 188 10.5t
armor
front: 45
R/L side: 33/33
rear: 32
turret: 45
Weapons and ammo allocation tonnage
heavy gauss front 18t
heavy gauss (16) body 4t
2 ER laser (M) turret 2t
streak SRM-4 turret 3t
streak SRM-4 (25) body 1t
Infantry body 8t
CASE body 0.5t
Okay, the SRMs were downgraded and CASE
was installed to protect the infantry against
ammo or gauss explosion.
As I said before the tank enters the hot zone
with Infantry already deployed (just before
crawling from behind the corner, ...) and
ready to engage the enemy. BA can deal with
infantry and light opposition, and if
something goes wrong the Fist turns it's HGR
on the troublemaker. The HGR can force
piloting skill rolls and gives small penalty to
them = it's harder to fend off swarm attacks
or, if the mech falls it's much easier kill for
BAs.
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