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Rudel Gurken
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 Posted: 02-Aug-2005 10:41 Post subject: WW II tank conversion |
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Here are my guidelines for WW II tank conversion (I did this for german tanks like Panzerkampfwagen I , II , III, IV , V Panther , VI Tiger I/II , and some others):
Use Level one with few exceptions.
Take the original weight but tanks under 15t have to be upped by 5 or so tons.
Power it only by ICE.
Convert weapoms as follows (I take the german calibers):
7,92 mm MG = MG
2 cm cannon = MotorCannon (my custom weapon, see other topic:
http://mordel.net/barandgrill/viewtopic.php?topic=6536&forum=3&post=68552&5)
3,7 cm cannon = LAC/2 (I know it´s level 3!)
5 cm cannon = LAC/5
7,5 cm cannon = AC/5
8,8 cm cannon = AC/10
12,8 cm cannon = AC/20
15 cm cannon = AC/20 too
For conversion I´ve only taken the caliber of a gun, not it´s typ!
So 7,5 cm KwK (multi purpose cannon) , StuK (short cannon for infantry-support)
and Pak (armor-piercing anti tank gun) are all converted to AC/5´s.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 03-Aug-2005 08:22 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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Some of the bigger guns may be replaced by snub-nosed artillery pieces from Maximum tech.
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Stinger
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2005 00:12 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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Admittedly I have alway seen the AC's in this way. Never in the machine gun style depicted by the books.
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2005 02:26 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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The KwK, StuK and Pak are direkt-fire weapons but I´ve used level 3 artillery cannons and even artillery pieces on some selfpropelled howitzers.
They were based on the same chassis but were only slightly armored and slow, so I could cramp them into the 25t chassis!
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2005 02:29 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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Yes!  The pictures of the original TRO 3025 showed big bore AC,s (look at the Hunch!) and I´ve always had problems to see them as rapid-fire guns but as guns fiering single shells!
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2005 04:16 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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On 2005-08-04 00:12, Stinger wrote:
Admittedly I have alway seen the AC's in this way. Never in the machine gun style depicted by the books.
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WARNING! This post is now being monitored by the admins in order to avoid a lengthy and possibly hostile discussion. Keep it civil ppl.
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2005 05:48 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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No problem! It´s only my private opinion and I don´t feel "hate" for anybody who likes the rapid-fire thing! 
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2005 13:33 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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It would require some home rule to use them as direct fire weapons (= ammo that doesn't scatter and attack single unit). I think that these guns resemble normal tank guns much more.
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2005 13:44 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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Well I think that both possibilities are officially supported. Small caliber, but rapid firing guns have similar profile to large caliber single-shot-per-turn guns (a bit clumsy description , but I like this type more). Only one thing really matters = damage.
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Stinger
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2005 18:54 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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Umm Sorry ddint think it was going to turn into that. I have no qualms with others seeing the weapons in what ever version they want
Just stating that I liked the list and finally saw the sizes for the AC's as I like to see them. (in retrospect I should have just SAID that, I guess)
Trust me a hostile argument is the last thing I want .
[ This Message was edited by: Stinger on 2005-08-04 18:55 ]
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2005 19:20 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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This just a touchy subject. Some people just get heated and my warning was to prevent that.
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Stinger
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2005 22:16 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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Okies
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Stinger
If it's "creepy" to use the Internet, military satellites, and robot aircraft to find a house full of gorgeous young models so I can drop in on them unexpected, then FINE, I'm "creepy". Howard Wolowitz. BBT.
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| Posted: 05-Aug-2005 01:05 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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Why? It's a minor subject of fluff in a tabletop game.
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 05-Aug-2005 11:38 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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OK, back to the topic!
Here are some conversions with original stats in brackets:
All have ICE and standard armor but as most original tanks have a speed of aprox. 40 kph BT speeds are a lot faster.
(I don´t want to post HMVee stats cause I don´t want to have such a long post here)
Panzer(kampfwagen) I B
Tonnage: 10t (6t)
Move: 7/11 (40 kph)
Armor: 2t [8/7/4/T6] (13 mm)
Weapons: 2 MG (Turret), Ammo:200
(2x7,92 mm MG in Turret)
Panzer(kampfwagen) II D
Tonnage: 15t (10t)
Move: 6/9 (55 kph)
Armor: 3t [12/10/6/T10] (30 mm)
Weapons: MC (Turret), Ammo:50
MG (Turret), Ammo:100
(2 cm KwK in Turret)
(7,92 mm MG in Turret)
Panzer(kampfwagen) III D
Tonnage: 20t (19,3t)
Move: 5/8 (40 kph)
Armor: 3,5t [14/10/8/T14] (30 mm)
Weapons: LAC/2 (Turret), Ammo:45
2 MG (Turret), Ammo:100
MG (Front)
(3,7 cm KwK in Turret)
(2x7,92 mm MG in Turret)
(7,92 mm MG in Front)
Panzer(kampfwagen) III E
Tonnage: 20t (19,5t)
Move: 4/6 (40 kph)
Armor: 3,5t [14/10/8/T14] (30 mm)
Weapons: LAC/5 (Turret), Ammo:20
MG (Turret), Ammo:100
MG (Front)
(5 cm KwK in Turret)
(7,92 mm MG in Turret)
(7,92 mm MG in Front)
Panzer(kampfwagen) IV F
Tonnage: 25t (23,6t)
Move: 4/6 (40 kph)
Armor: 3,5t [17/10/8/T11] (50 mm)
Weapons: AC/5 (Turret), Ammo:20
MG (Turret), Ammo:100
MG (Front)
(7,5 cm KwK in Turret)
(7,92 mm MG in Turret)
(7,92 mm MG in Front)
Panzer(kampfwagen) V G Panther
Tonnage: 45t (44,8t)
Move: 5/8 (46 kph)
Armor: 6,5t [30/20/12/T22] (100 mm)
Weapons: AC/5 (Turret), Ammo:20
MG (Turret), Ammo:100
MG (Front)
(7,5 cm KwK in Turret)
(7,92 mm MG in Turret)
(7,92 mm MG in Front)
Panzer(kampfwagen) VI B Tiger II (Königstiger)
Tonnage: 70t (69,7t)
Move: 4/6 (38 kph)
Armor: 10,5t [45/34/20/T35] (150 mm)
Weapons: AC/10 (Turret), Ammo:20
MG (Turret), Ammo:100
MG (Front)
(8,8 cm KwK in Turret)
(7,92 mm MG in Turret)
(7,92 mm MG in Front)
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 05-Aug-2005 11:40 Post subject: RE: WW II tank conversion |
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But I wanted to use the original (or near original) tonnage! The artillery cannons are much too heavy for that!
(Try to put an artillery cannon on a 10 to 25 t frame!)
[ This Message was edited by: Rudel Gurken on 2005-08-05 11:48 ]
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