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Rudel Gurken
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 Posted: 06-May-2006 09:27 Post subject: AC/5 Field gun |
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BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
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Type/Model: AC/5 Field Gun
Tech: Inner Sphere / 2000
Config: Wheeled Trailer
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 12 tons
Power Plant: None
Cruise Speed: None. Trailer pulled by Tractor.
Armor Type: 1/Star Slab Standard
Armament:
1 Autocannon/5
Manufacturer: Various
Location: Various
Communications System: None
Targeting & Tracking System: Easy ballistic
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Type/Model: AC/5 Field Gun
Mass: 12 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 8 pts Standard 0 1,50
Engine: None 0 ,00
Cruise MP: None. BV based on 0 MP
Heat Sinks: 0 Single 0 ,00
Crew: 0 Members 0 ,00
Armor Factor: 24 pts Standard 0 1,50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 2 0
Left / Right Sides: 2 7/7
Rear: 2 10
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Autocannon/5 Rear 0 20 2 9,00
1 Trailer Hitch Front 1 ,00
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TOTALS: 0 3 12,00
Items & Tons Left: 4 ,00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 165.890 C-Bills
Battle Value: 54
Cost per BV: 3.072,04
Weapon Value: 6 / 6 (Ratio = ,11 / ,11)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 4; MRDmg = 3; LRDmg = 1
BattleForce2: MP: 0J, Armor/Structure: 0 / 1
Damage PB/M/L: -/1/1, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 1
[ This Message was edited by: Rudel Gurken on 2006-05-06 14:49 ]
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 06-May-2006 13:29 Post subject: RE: AC75 Field gun |
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Good. I can see these weapons fielded around the IS, but I just wander if it is better than standard field guns from Maximum Tech or equipment from Combat Operations? (I'll check that)
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 06-May-2006 14:48 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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On 2006-05-06 13:29, Sleeping Dragon wrote:
Good. I can see these weapons fielded around the IS, but I just wander if it is better than standard field guns from Maximum Tech or equipment from Combat Operations? (I'll check that)
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The MaxTech standard fieldguns are only counted with their actual weight and can only be destroyed by killing infanterists in that platoon.
They are no real unit on the map but a sort of special equipment "carried" by the troopers!
I was never satisfied with that and so developed "real" units that can be towed by vehicles.
I do not know about that Combat Operation field guns but will try to build some Combat Equipment versions (Which are a bit more complex because of that fire control and gunners rules!).
[ This Message was edited by: Rudel Gurken on 2006-05-06 14:49 ]
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 06-May-2006 15:12 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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Well the guns are actually special infantry equipment, the people in the group die, there is no one to fire them. This thing won't last long either, but I don't have the Combat Equipment (curse the the delays), so I cannot compare it.
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 06-May-2006 16:04 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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Combat Equipment field guns would be inferior because you have to incorporate Offroad equipment for the wheeled chassis to not force your tractor to half its remaining speed away from pavement, you have to take the Armored Chassis option to get real armor or you are forced to take inferior armor and you´ll have to incorporate fire control to avoid a +2 to hit modifier!
So if you want a "real" unit on the field better take my standard trailer variant!
Regarding cost and weight (6 tons for a standard motorized platoon + weight of the carried type of gun) the MaxTech Field Guns would be better but as i said before i don´t like this " a 6 ton motorized unit can tow 28 tons of field guns " thing!
[ This Message was edited by: Rudel Gurken on 2006-05-06 16:10 ]
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 07-May-2006 04:56 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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Maybe that the guns don't weigh so much. 8 tons are when the gun is installed with ammo feeder, motors and targeting system (of course that I'm talking about reality, but the rules are rules  ).
Maybe that it would be interesting to try this with LAC
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 07-May-2006 05:12 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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Shure!
BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
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Type/Model: LAC/5 Field Gun
Tech: Inner Sphere / 2000
Config: Wheeled Trailer
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 8 tons
Power Plant: None
Cruise Speed: None. Trailer pulled by Tractor.
Armor Type: Various
Armament:
1 Light AC/5
Manufacturer: Various
Location: Various
Communications System: None
Targeting & Tracking System: Easy Ballistic
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Type/Model: LAC/5 Field Gun
Mass: 8 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 4 pts Standard 0 1,00
Engine: None 0 ,00
Cruise MP: None. BV based on 0 MP
Heat Sinks: 0 Single 0 ,00
Crew: 0 Members 0 ,00
Armor Factor: 16 pts Standard 0 1,00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 1 0
Left / Right Sides: 1 5/5
Rear: 1 6
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Light AC/5 Rear 0 20 2 6,00
1 Trailer Hitch Front 1 ,00
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TOTALS: 0 3 8,00
Items & Tons Left: 3 ,00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 179.920 C-Bills
Battle Value: 42
Cost per BV: 4.283,81
Weapon Value: 4 / 4 (Ratio = ,10 / ,10)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 4; MRDmg = 3; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 0J, Armor/Structure: 0 / 1
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/-, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 0
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Reality is where the Pizza-man comes from!'Gucken, petzen, verpissen!' (Look at it, squeal it, get the hell away from it!) – Motto of the recon troops'Artillery doesn´t know friend or foe! They only know worthwhile targets!‘ – Kuritan Infantrist
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 07-May-2006 06:06 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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Mmm... Lighter! it's almost portable now 
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 07-May-2006 10:25 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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So try this!
BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
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Type/Model: Mouse Trap
Tech: Inner Sphere / 2000
Config: Wheeled Trailer
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 1 tons
Power Plant: None
Cruise Speed: None. Trailer pulled by Tractor.
Armor Type: Various
Armament:
1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Various
Location: Various
Communications System: None
Targeting & Tracking System: Iron sights!
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Type/Model: Field MG
Mass: 1 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 4 pts Standard 0 ,10
Engine: None 0 ,00
Cruise MP: None. BV based on 0 MP
Heat Sinks: 0 Single 0 ,00
Crew: 0 Members 0 ,00
Armor Factor: 6 pts Standard 0 ,38
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 1 0
Left / Right Sides: 1 2/2
Rear: 1 2
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Machine Gun Rear 0 5 2 ,52
1 Trailer Hitch Front 1 ,00
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TOTALS: 0 3 1,00
Items & Tons Left: 2 ,00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 9.874 C-Bills
Battle Value: 8
Cost per BV: 1.234,27
Weapon Value: 0 / 0 (Ratio = ,00 / ,00)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 1; MRDmg = 0; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 0J, Armor/Structure: 0 / 0
Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 0
[ This Message was edited by: Rudel Gurken on 2006-05-08 06:37 ]
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Raven!
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| Posted: 07-May-2006 19:44 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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LMAO Cute.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 08-May-2006 03:58 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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Just imagine an Atlas carrying armful of these mouse traps. walking around the building, placing one to each exit and waiting for the footsloggers to come out 
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 08-May-2006 06:37 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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Mouse trap
Maybe i´ll have to rename it!
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 09-May-2006 06:26 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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I liked the name as soon as it came on my mind. those people down there won't like it. maybe that we should install one to the kitchen door
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| Posted: 11-May-2006 12:42 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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| Excellent name ! Ah yes i can visualise the Atlas carrying them in the fistful and carefully placing them at every building entrance.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 11-May-2006 13:04 Post subject: RE: AC/5 Field gun |
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Yeah! It's soooo cute
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