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this is a mech I was going toying with submitting for Neveron. It was not met with much enthusiasm when I presented it to friends to get feedback, so here it is for your enjoyment and derision. All tech is IS
NBWF-OoF Gunman (mix of my chatnicks and then emp name created the designation.NewBloodWhiteFang-OrderOftheFang)
95 tons
Biped
XL engine
14 double heatsinks
15.5 tons of FerroFibrous armor
standerd Internal
LA/LTAC-20
LT AC-ammo5
LT AC-ammo5
LT AC-ammo5
LT Flamer
LT CASE
RA/RT AC-20
RT Large Laser
Walk:4
Run:6
Armor:
Head 9
CT 46/14
RT/LT 31/9
RA/LA 32
RL/LL 40
has useable hands
Overview:
Designed and built at the request of one Lord Fang, ruler of several small empires on our great world of Neveron, this mech is a testament to Fang's obsession with the dualing arenas. It is rumored he drew up the plans himself. He wanted a mech that could drop another assault mech in its tracks, and one that struck a memorable visage as well. The extra light engine used in the prototype, as well as the ferro fibrous armor which covers the titans frame were procurred from salvage and reverse engineered. Tragically, the knowledge gained from this procedure was lost to Neveron in a freak lab accident which destroyed all information.
Capabilities:
The autocannons are mounted to appear as wide bore pistols in the mechs hands, with exposed ammo feeds for visual effect.This arrangement also helps alleviate a troublesome jamming issue which arose during testing. The feeds themselves are armored to reduce the risk of a hit touching off an explosion. The Magna Mk III Large Laser gives it a longe range sting, and the Zippo flamer keeps the infantry at bay.
Deployment:
No known deployment of the Gunman is known at this time. Yet oddly, one has been seen battling in the arenas. No word has been heard of how the mech was procurred or who the pilot is. Persisting rumors is that the pilot is the designer, Fang. He has denied all allogations of this as of this writing.
Battle History:
no history is known of at this time of the mechs performance in battle. The one mystery Gunman seen in the dualing arenas has racked up an impressive string of wins, though. It is thought the designers allowed this one model to leave the lab as a kind of advertisment to potential buyers.
Variants:
There has been talk of replacing the ballistic cannons with longe range missles, or ppcs to have the mech fill a fire support role, but the designers are loathe to give up the signature dual cannon weilding visage of the Gunman. There has also been the suggestion of replacing the autocannon with gauss rifles, but that technology is still beyond the reach of our scientists.
I like this design. I think it could have good potential outside of the arenas as a potent city fighter. I also submitted it for the TRO section, along with two variants.
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 10:49 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Gunman NBWF-OoF
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3025
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 95 tons
Chassis: Standard
Power Plant: 380 GM XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43,2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64,8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 Autocannon/20s
1 Large Laser
1 Flamer
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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==Overview:==
Designed and built at the request of one Lord Fang, ruler of several small
empires on our great world of Neveron, this mech is a testament to Fang's
obsession with the dualing arenas. It is rumored he drew up the plans himself.
He wanted a mech that could drop another assault mech in its tracks, and one
that struck a memorable visage as well. The extra light engine used in the
prototype, as well as the ferro fibrous armor which covers the titans frame
were procurred from salvage and reverse engineered. Tragically, the knowledge
gained from this procedure was lost to Neveron in a freak lab accident which
destroyed all information.
==Capabilities:==
The autocannons are mounted to appear as wide bore pistols in the mechs hands,
with exposed ammo feeds for visual effect.This arrangement also helps
alleviate a troublesome jamming issue which arose during testing. The feeds
themselves are armored to reduce the risk of a hit touching off an explosion.
The Magna Mk III Large Laser gives it a longe range sting, and the Zippo
flamer keeps the infantry at bay.
==Battle History:==
no history is known of at this time of the mechs performance in battle. The
one mystery Gunman seen in the dualing arenas has racked up an impressive
string of wins, though. It is thought the designers allowed this one model to
leave the lab as a kind of advertisment to potential buyers.
==Variants:==
There has been talk of replacing the ballistic cannons with longe range
missles, or ppcs to have the mech fill a fire support role, but the designers
are loathe to give up the signature dual cannon weilding visage of the Gunman.
There has also been the suggestion of replacing the autocannon with gauss
rifles, but that technology is still beyond the reach of our scientists.
==Deployment==
No known deployment of the Gunman is known at this time. Yet oddly, one has
been seen battling in the arenas. No word has been heard of how the mech was
procurred or who the pilot is. Persisting rumors is that the pilot is the
designer, Fang. He has denied all allogations of this as of this writing.
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Type/Model: Gunman NBWF-OoF
Mass: 95 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 145 pts Standard 0 9,50
Engine: 380 XL Fusion 12 20,50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 14 Double [28] 0 4,00
Gyro: 4 4,00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3,00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 ,00
Armor Factor: 293 pts Ferro-Fibrous 14 16,50
(Armor Crit Loc: 1 HD, 2 LT, 5 RT, 2 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 30 46
Center Torso (Rear): 14
L/R Side Torso: 20 31/31
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 9/9
L/R Arm: 16 32/32
L/R Leg: 20 40/40
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Autocannon/20 RA 7 15 13 17,00
(Ammo Locations: 3 LT)
1 Autocannon/20 LA 7 10 14,00
1 Large Laser RT 8 2 5,00
1 Flamer LT 3 1 1,00
CASE Equipment: LT 1 ,50
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TOTALS: 25 78 95,00
Crits & Tons Left: 0 ,00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 24 972 416 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 487
Cost per BV: 16 793,82
Weapon Value: 2 493 / 2 493 (Ratio = 1,68 / 1,68)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 38; MRDmg = 9; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 7/4
Damage PB/M/L: 6/4/-, Overheat: 0
Class: MA; Point Value: 15
remade with HMPro for easier viewing.
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 11:18 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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SD, you rock
I used The Drawing Board as I don't have the extra cash( and my wife won't let me) to get HMPro
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 11:32 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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It isn't surprising that the mech wasn't liked. It's expensive (not the main problem), has small amount of ammo (seriously, 7.5 shots for the ACs isn't enough, the King Crab was already criticized for this by many) and lacks any serious long range firepower. It reminds me of an over sized Hunchback.
There is also a variant of the HBK that may offer a solution. The 4H. If you downgrade the ACs and add MLs and ammo, removing a few heat sinks in the process. This may not be as scary as the big ACs, but it should work and it would also allow you to cover your back with your pistols. I don't know with which technology are you working at the moment, but ER weapons and LB 10-Xs would be the next step. I must also mention the fact that the mech may be much smaller with the same weapons and keeping almost full armor too, but decreasing the cost significantly.
Even as the mech stands now it has too many heat sinks. Two of them may be removed in favor of additional armor or a PPC (instead of laser).
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 11:48 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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WEll, the original intent of the design was to go toe to toe with a comparable sized mech in a dueling environment. In the field agains other more balanced designs, vehicles and infantry, it would be expensive cannon fodder. I made two variants to try to fix this, one involves dropping the right cannon in favor of an LRM20, two tons of ammo, and two med lasers, the second drops the LArge LAser and the right cannon, and picks up an LRM 15, two tons of ammo,3 med lasers, and a PPC
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 11:54 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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Just to show what I meant with all those changes
lower tech
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Gunman NBWF-OoF
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3025
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 85 tons
Chassis: Standard
Power Plant: 340 VOX XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43,2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64,8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
2 Autocannon/10s
4 Medium Lasers
1 PPC
1 Flamer
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Gunman NBWF-OoF
Mass: 85 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 130 pts Standard 0 8,50
Engine: 340 XL Fusion 12 13,50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 ,00
Gyro: 4 4,00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3,00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 ,00
Armor Factor: 248 pts Standard 0 15,50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 27 40
Center Torso (Rear): 11
L/R Side Torso: 18 27/27
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 9/9
L/R Arm: 14 28/28
L/R Leg: 18 30/30
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Autocannon/10 RA 3 40 11 16,00
(Ammo Locations: 4 RT)
1 Medium Laser RA 3 1 1,00
1 Autocannon/10 LA 3 7 12,00
1 Medium Laser LA 3 1 1,00
1 PPC LT 10 3 7,00
2 Medium Lasers CT 6 2 2,00
1 Flamer HD 3 1 1,00
CASE Equipment: RT 1 ,50
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TOTALS: 31 64 85,00
Crits & Tons Left: 14 ,00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 19 768 669 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 246
Cost per BV: 15 865,71
Weapon Value: 2 182 / 2 182 (Ratio = 1,75 / 1,75)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 29; MRDmg = 17; LRDmg = 4
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 6/3
Damage PB/M/L: 5/3/1, Overheat: 2
Class: MA; Point Value: 12
better technology
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Gunman NBWF-OoF
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3025
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 85 tons
Chassis: Standard
Power Plant: 340 VOX XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43,2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64,8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 Ultra AC/10
4 Medium Lasers
1 LB 10-X AC
1 ER Large Laser
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Gunman NBWF-OoF
Mass: 85 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 130 pts Standard 0 8,50
Engine: 340 XL Fusion 12 13,50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 11 Double [22] 0 1,00
Gyro: 4 4,00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3,00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 ,00
Armor Factor: 256 pts Standard 0 16,00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 27 40
Center Torso (Rear): 13
L/R Side Torso: 18 26/26
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 9/9
L/R Arm: 14 27/27
L/R Leg: 18 35/35
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Ultra AC/10 RA 4 30 10 16,00
(Ammo Locations: 3 RT)
1 Medium Laser RA 3 1 1,00
1 LB 10-X AC LA 2 20 8 13,00
(Ammo Locations: 2 LT)
1 Medium Laser LA 3 1 1,00
1 Medium Laser RT 3 1 1,00
1 Medium Laser LT 3 1 1,00
1 ER Large Laser CT 12 2 5,00
CASE Equipment: LT RT 2 1,00
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TOTALS: 34 63 85,00
Crits & Tons Left: 15 ,00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 20 526 244 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 417
Cost per BV: 14 485,71
Weapon Value: 2 358 / 2 358 (Ratio = 1,66 / 1,66)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 31; MRDmg = 21; LRDmg = 8
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 6/3
Damage PB/M/L: 5/4/2, Overheat: 2
Class: MA; Point Value: 14
This time the bastard has a shot gun 
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 12:02 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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LBX AC20 would be nice in the left hand for that matter, and place the PPC/LRMS or such in the right side
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 12:05 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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Even in a duel, there may be a problem with getting close. Ammo is not that important, but there is nothing to cover your back or sides. ACs use front firing arc when they have some crits in torso. This isn't so important in a duel unless the enemy has JJs (with 4/6 movement you are not that easy to outmaneuver), or some long range weapons (if there is enough space to avoid you - a problem for the other assaults, they probably don't have the speed to run away, but lighter foes may be annoying).
As a mech that should duel other assaults which don't have the best tech at hand it doesn't sound that bad!
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 12:25 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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Barrels for the cannons are in the arms, so that widens the arc a little bit. True, getting close would be a problem, and most of the tech in the Neveron Game is lvl1. there are lvl 2 units available, but you have to purchase them, and they are not cheap.
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 12:28 Post subject: variants |
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I'm not sure if everything is in place.
Personally I would prefer the PPC variant, but
the one with LRM 20 is also good (maybe
that it would drop a heat sink for something else).
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Gunman v. 1 NBWF-OoF
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 95 tons
Chassis: Standard
Power Plant: 380 GM XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43,2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64,8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 LRM 20
1 Autocannon/20
1 Large Laser
1 Flamer
2 Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Gunman v. 1 NBWF-OoF
Mass: 95 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 145 pts Standard 0 9,50
Engine: 380 XL Fusion 12 20,50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 14 Double [28] 0 4,00
Gyro: 4 4,00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3,00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 ,00
Armor Factor: 293 pts Ferro-Fibrous 14 16,50
(Armor Crit Loc: 1 HD, 3 RA, 4 RT, 2CT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 30 45
Center Torso (Rear): 15
L/R Side Torso: 20 30/30
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 10/10
L/R Arm: 16 32/32
L/R Leg: 20 40/40
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 LRM 20 RA 6 12 7 12,00
(Ammo Locations: 2 LT)
1 Autocannon/20 LA 7 15 13 17,00
(Ammo Locations: 3 LT)
1 Large Laser RT 8 2 5,00
1 Flamer LT 3 1 1,00
2 Medium Lasers RT 6 2 2,00
CASE Equipment: LT 1 ,50
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TOTALS: 30 77 95,00
Crits & Tons Left: 1 ,00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 25 147 916 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 525
Cost per BV: 16 490,44
Weapon Value: 3 017 / 3 017 (Ratio = 1,98 / 1,98)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 33; MRDmg = 17; LRDmg = 6
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 7/4
Damage PB/M/L: 7/5/1, Overheat: 0
Class: MA; Point Value: 15
Specials: if
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Gunman v. 2 NBWF-OoF
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 95 tons
Chassis: Standard
Power Plant: 380 GM XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43,2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64,8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 LRM 15
1 Autocannon/20
1 PPC
3 Medium Lasers
1 Flamer
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Gunman v. 2 NBWF-OoF
Mass: 95 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 145 pts Standard 0 9,50
Engine: 380 XL Fusion 12 20,50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 14 Double [28] 0 4,00
Gyro: 4 4,00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3,00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 ,00
Armor Factor: 293 pts Ferro-Fibrous 14 16,50
(Armor Crit Loc: 1 HD, 4 RA, 3 RT, 2 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 30 45
Center Torso (Rear): 15
L/R Side Torso: 20 30/30
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 10/10
L/R Arm: 16 32/32
L/R Leg: 20 40/40
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 LRM 15 RA 5 16 5 9,00
(Ammo Locations: 2 LT)
1 Autocannon/20 LA 7 15 13 17,00
(Ammo Locations: 3 LT)
1 PPC RT 10 3 7,00
3 Medium Lasers RT 9 3 3,00
1 Flamer LT 3 1 1,00
CASE Equipment: LT 1 ,50
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TOTALS: 34 77 95,00
Crits & Tons Left: 1 ,00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 25 274 666 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 504
Cost per BV: 16 804,96
Weapon Value: 3 009 / 3 009 (Ratio = 2,00 / 2,00)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 32; MRDmg = 17; LRDmg = 6
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 7/4
Damage PB/M/L: 6/5/2, Overheat: 1
Class: MA; Point Value: 15
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 12:41 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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No, it doesn't. Not at least in game terms. The AC act like if they were mounted entirely in torso is they have some crits located there.
(it can be found on p. 114 of BMR, or p. 120 of BMR revised). I don't need to say how do I like this rule when piloting King Crab, Yu-Huang, Lao-Hu or any other mech with an AC/20 mounted this way and the Phoenix Hawk behind it.
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| Posted: 12-Sep-2006 12:59 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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Oops. been awhile. I need to go back re read that section. In that case, a rear mounted med laser or two would be a helpful addition
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| Posted: 13-Sep-2006 16:22 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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I just created a variant with an LB-20X and three tons of ammo, ER PPC, four med lasers( 1 rear facing, and two in the RA to improve firing arc) and jump jets. no ferro armor either. 14 double heatsinks make it VERY cool to run. Will be in the TRO section as soon as the busy folks moderating the forums get a chance to check it out.
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| Posted: 14-Sep-2006 11:59 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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Sniff, sniff... I smell something similar here...
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| Posted: 14-Sep-2006 12:03 Post subject: RE: NBWF-OoF Gunman |
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Well, considering that my knowledge of official published mechs stopped at 3058, I am not suprised. Any smilarities were not intended.
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