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Nightmare
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Weapons? A Sako rifle in .22LR with suppressor and scope. Perfect for plinking away on a slow afternoon, and very accurate if you wish to practice seriously.
And of course, no Finn should be without a knife or two. I've got a few different sorts lying around in various places. A couple of Glock combat knives (cheap and sturdy for hiking etc), some Boker folders, some old "puukko"-type knives and a real honest Swiss Army knife with aluminium sides.
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Gunslinger Patch
Royal Black Watch Regiment
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| Posted: 16-Mar-2007 19:33 Post subject: |
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From what I understand, those new 5.7 rounds were made with penetration in mind, as over time, more people besides cops are wearing body armor and it is getting to be a regular thing for home invaders to pose as police to get in the door. That and I think it was also made with giving soldiers a more penetrating pistol round for the same reason. And in a home or apartment, I think a regular pistol bullet would go through a wall just fine without using that 5.7 as long as you miss the studs.
From what I've read, pump shotguns are considered better than a pistol both for intimidation value, the sound of a shell being chambered is something criminals easily recognise when they hear it in the dark and it is a sound that causes instant flight in many a case.
Also, just like a revolver is usually recommended over a semi-auto handgun, a shotgun has it over a pistol. In the dark of night, if you ever actually have to reach for a gun, you are also taking on a heavy load of instant stress and fear. Your actions will not be normal, what you can do cooly and skillfully on the firing range you will do clumsily in the dark while still half asleep and suddenly in fear for your safety.
It is much harder to screw up under such circumstances with a revolver, for instance, then with a semi-auto. Revolvers as machines have less parts, are less complicated to snatch up and fire. Most esp. if suddenly having to grab a gun and fight in the dark is something you haven't really practiced doing with some kind of training drills.
Same thing with that shotgun. Instead of having to work the slide if you don't keep a round in the chamber, disengaging the safety, etc. All you have to do is pick it up and jack a round into the chamber. Often the sound of it alone will end the encounter, and if it doesn't a round of 12 guage buckshot has I think it is half a dozen .32 caliber projectiles in it, so from across a living room in the dark, you have a better chance to hit the goblin bad enough to cripple or kill then you will have with the pistol, unless you have real good pistol skills, regular training from good teachers and so on.
I read a pretty good debate a while back, arguing that a good semi-auto 12 guage with 8 or 10 rounds of buckshot, is better than a full auto MP-5 SMG. Becaues in the same amount of time, the shotgun will be sending a great many more 32 cal lead slugs downrange than that MP-5 will be sending 9mm or .38 cal slugs downrange. And the shotgun shells will cover a wider radius as the buckshot spreads out. And if you wind up at arm's length, if you can't shoot him, you've got a pistol grip or butstock on the other end of it you can strike at him with.
The way my house is laid out. Between the hallway and the living room and the way the couch in there is arranged, and the other hallway past the kitchen to the garage entrance, I can stand at one end and have a straight line clear to the other end and the door an intruder would most likely be coming in through. He won't be coming though the bedroom window, I've burglar bars there, so unless he was already inside and coming through the bedroom door, I'd be coming out of the bedroom and aiming straight down that line of fire at the door from the garage. With a pistol, I'd say I'm faily sure to hit the guy given the narrow field of fire. But with a shotgun, scared and frazzled or not, I KNOW I'll hit him.
And the other thing about self-defense in the dark, no matter what kind of gun you have, is practicing. It is like with being ready to use a concealed pistol as opposed to just having one on you. If you haven't done some regular practice for actually drawing and shooting, when the time comes, you won't be likely to do it well or smoothly. If you haven't got some snap caps, dummy rounds that let you dry fire with worry for damaging the firing pin, I'd get some. Then you can do stuff like practice drawing and shooting without having to leave the house or use live rounds until after you figure you can draw and shoot at the range without risk of shooting yourself in the leg or something.
That's why I don't have my CCL yet, I could get it right now, but I won't do it until I think I've become skilled enough I could use my gun for real and have a good chance of doing it right.
Another tip I've read for self-defense is to practice now and then moving through your house in the dark with your weapon ready, another time for those snap caps. So that you will be familiar with moving around through the house in complete darkness, aiming to cover places the intruder might be. So if you have to, you'll have a good chance of moving silently while checking out the house and the intruder, unfamiliar with where your furniture is, will be making some noise, so that you can find and aim at him before he has the chance to do that to you.
Since I bought that Beretta, I've been trying to learn to shoot well with both eyes open. And generally I've been trying to get serious about becoming a good shot, where before I was just plinking and I've never had a formal class on pistol shooting. Closing one eye while aiming works on the range, but the right way is both eyes open for realistic stuff. But now I've got a problem in that I keep dropping the muzzle on it bad enough to miss an 8 inch circle from 10 feet away. I think I'm gripping it harder right as the trigger breaks or jerking the trigger. So I've been mostly shooting .22 on the pistol range to keep from wasting the more expensive ammo while I work on aiming well with both eyes open.
But I've been reading up on pistol skills since my last trip to the range and came across another tip I've been doing at home. So before I go to the range next weekend, I've been doing some home practice. Aiming at a small target across the room and dry firing with a dime balanced on the front sight. Trying to smoothly pull the trigger and keep a steady aim without the dime falling off.
The guy whose posts I read claimed he's been doing that 50 times a day every day and seen a whole lot of impovement in his aim and his groups. Come sunday, weather permitting, I'll see if it helped me any too.
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tom kazansky
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| Posted: 16-Mar-2007 20:34 Post subject: |
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| Yeah I hear you Gunslinger. Shooting a pistol well is just like hitting a golf ball well, you've just got to practice a lot. Every time I take a friend of mine that has never fired a gun before to the shooting range they always seem to think they're Arnold and want to shoot the Desert Eagle first with the target 30 feet away. And I always say, "You want to probably shoot this first" and hand them my .40 caliber. And then I move the target up to the 15 feet and say, "and try to hit it from this distance first." And of course after they put shots all over the man sized target at 15 feet they say, "man, shooting a gun is a lot harder than I thought it would be." It happens nearly every single time.
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AWAD
Draconis Combine
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Joined: 06-Feb-2002 00:00
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| Posted: 17-Mar-2007 10:25 Post subject: |
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| tom kazansky wrote: | | Yeah I hear you Gunslinger. Shooting a pistol well is just like hitting a golf ball well, you've just got to practice a lot. Every time I take a friend of mine that has never fired a gun before to the shooting range they always seem to think they're Arnold and want to shoot the Desert Eagle first with the target 30 feet away. And I always say, "You want to probably shoot this first" and hand them my .40 caliber. And then I move the target up to the 15 feet and say, "and try to hit it from this distance first." And of course after they put shots all over the man sized target at 15 feet they say, "man, shooting a gun is a lot harder than I thought it would be." It happens nearly every single time. |
For me the farther away the better. I actually am more acurate at longer range. This is even more true with pop up targets and a rifle. Off hand, yes that means standing was my best position, prone my worst.
AWAD- .45 ACP is all you need
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WhizzbangThePowerSquig
Royal Black Watch Regiment
Master Sergeant
Joined: 21-Mar-2005 00:00
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: 20-Mar-2007 11:30 Post subject: |
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First of all, I would like to state that this topic is filling me with a rather forboding sense of dread, and making me damn happy i don't live in the US.
Now, despite that, I do have a very minor arsenel in my house, but it consists of one shotgun, a .22 rifle, a 30.06 rifle, a couple of pellet guns, my Tippman 98 Custom, and the rumour of 2 service revolvers. All of these, save the Tippman, are in heavy lockup, and have not been used in many, many years.
Come to think of it, the las time any had been used was the shotgun, when my grandfater was angry at a rat under our deck. He missed the rat, but made a new sprinkler hose for the garden 
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tom kazansky
Federated Suns
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| Posted: 20-Mar-2007 20:32 Post subject: |
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| WhizzbangThePowerSquig wrote: | | First of all, I would like to state that this topic is filling me with a rather forboding sense of dread, and making me damn happy i don't live in the US. |
That's funny, because I've thought the exact same thing about Canada on many occasions. By the way, is Sasquatch still your Prime Minister? 8)
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Warhammer: 3025
Freelance
Captain, AFFC (Ret.)
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| Posted: 22-Mar-2007 07:04 Post subject: |
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| AWAD wrote: |
AWAD- .45 ACP is all you need |
Indeed.
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tom kazansky
Federated Suns
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| Posted: 22-Mar-2007 12:45 Post subject: |
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| Warhammer: 3025 wrote: | | AWAD wrote: |
AWAD- .45 ACP is all you need |
Indeed. |
Agree. I'd love to get a H&K USP in .45 ACP one of these days. That and a fancy chrome-plated M1911.
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Storm
Draconis Combine
Chu-i
Joined: 06-Feb-2002 00:00
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Location: United States
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| Posted: 24-Mar-2007 13:32 Post subject: My personal arsenal |
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I started learning how to shoot when I was three. Most of the things I have are hand-me-downs: My Dad's old 30-30, a .410, Grandad's .12 guage, a .22 Winchester (identical to the 30-30 except the caliber), a 30-06 and a 7mm Savage,and Boomhower, my 1911 .45 ACP. Like AWAD said, it's all you need.
Storm
(who by the way would like to figure out how to build a Gauss Rifle)
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SaberDance
Federated Suns
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| Posted: 24-Mar-2007 13:48 Post subject: |
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| tom kazansky wrote: | | WhizzbangThePowerSquig wrote: | | First of all, I would like to state that this topic is filling me with a rather forboding sense of dread, and making me damn happy i don't live in the US. |
That's funny, because I've thought the exact same thing about Canada on many occasions. By the way, is Sasquatch still your Prime Minister? 8) |
I remember a documentary on guns and culture I saw on PBS years and years ago (or perhaps I got it out of the Library).
"The difference between America and Canada, is that in American movies, the FBI pulls a gun, say 'Drop it!' and the bad guy tries to draw. Gunfight ensues. In Canada, the Mounty says 'Drop it!' and the bad guy does."
Nonetheless, I'm with TK. I much prefer the US to Canada. Though if Sasquatch is who I think it is, he's been gone for a while. It's Steven Harper now, isn't it?
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Storm
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 24-Mar-2007 13:49 Post subject: Shotguns and Crappy legal advice |
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Warhammer:3025
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Try a Franchi. I hear they're good with the shotguns. They make the infamous SPAS-12 and -15 combat shotguns, and the (at least I hear) excellent AL-48.
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A Mossberg 500 with a 18 1/2 inch barrel and a pistol grip is what my mother uses.
But I have 2 dogs to keep things safe. One bites. It's up to you to figure out which one.
A STRONG LEGAL NOTE:
(And this is from personal experience): BE THE FIRST ONE TO CALL 911. I encountered a guy riding his 4-wheeler through my property, stopped him in front of my house, and ordered him to leave. Now at the time, I was A)On my property, B)in my driveway, C)Half the guy's size, D)Owned a concealed carry permit.
The guy got mad, started yelling, and reached for a shovel on his ATV. I was backed into a corner, and I drew my weapon, chambered a round (bad idea legally but it's just an overpriced club otherwise), and "assumed the position."
It stopped him. Then he called 911 and I got arrested. He came back 3 times, including the day I got out of jail (because apparently he's more than a little stupid).
I ended up taking him to court over that while *I* was being taken to court for aggravated assault. As it turned out, the charges got dropped to a misdemeanor, and I got probation and a big fat fine. It was a year long battle that almost cost me my adopted son, my livelihood, my farm, and my house.
SO, the moral of the story is: Call 911 first. But when it comes down to legality or protecting your family, empty the entire gun (1 round is considered premeditated, emptying the gun is "panic fire.").
Storm
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tom kazansky
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| Posted: 25-Mar-2007 00:12 Post subject: |
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| Mr. Storm, how is drawing your gun on a guy threating you an assault? But I've always noticed that if you draw your gun at the last possible moment the better of you usually are. If you had called 911 and simply stood in your doorway to protect your family and that chump came up to you with a shovel, I doubt any court would find you at fault for anything according to the "castle doctrine." In my apartment if I heard a guy break in I would sit in my bedroom, call the police on my cell phone, and if that scumbag comes through the doorway I'd let him have it. I think legally your best off that way since you only used your gun as a "last resort." I guess courts just think that if you go out to confront the guy you're a gunslinger but if you stand in your home and protect your house its self defense. That's why more shoot first laws need to be passed. Although that'll probably never happen in Illinois, since they're still trying to ban "assault weapons" and hi-cap magazines here. They haven't succeeded at all thus far, thank God.
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chihawk
Clan Blood Spirit
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| Posted: 25-Mar-2007 08:04 Post subject: |
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Talking about what weapons you own is allowed.
Talking about gun laws is considered "political" and is not allowed in this forum.
Last chance.
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Alexander
Heavy Horse Merc Brigade
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: 25-Mar-2007 12:04 Post subject: |
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Sasquatch was never Prime Minister... I think he was aborginial affairs minister... Ogo Pogo never made it into politics. Too bad.
I've never owned any personal weapons (other than a few knives), but, the army lets me shoot all of it's. And, they're way better than anything I could ever afford for myself.
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tom kazansky
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| Posted: 25-Mar-2007 14:16 Post subject: |
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| By the way world.guns.ru/ is the best site I've come across for gun information. Just about every gun used in the 20 century is on there.
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