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Karagin
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 Posted: 31-Jul-2007 12:16 Post subject: Karagin's Re-Takes on some WW2 tanks |
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Okay below you will find my versions of some German WW2 AFVs. Please note that while I tried to stay close to the actual weights, I did use some of the more modern tech BT offers, i.e. XL engines, Ferro, Ultra Cannons etc...now for some this may not be what you want, and that is fine, the idea was to make something similar yet fitting for BT's universe. These were originally for my New Rim Worlds Republic group, but the idea went stillborn due to a couple of folks helping me moving out of Michigan and thus I didn't take it any further.
So here is the first one:
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Type/Model: Kramferwagen W
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3132
Config: Wheeled Vehicle
Rules: Level 1, Custom design
Mass: 20 tons
Power Plant: 160 Magma Fusion
Cruise Speed: 97.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 151.2 km/h
Armor Type: Pantherskin VII Standard
Armament:
3 Fuersturm-b Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Daimler-Benz
Location: Various
Communications System: Various
Targeting & Tracking System: Various
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Type/Model: Kramferwagen W
Mass: 20 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 10 pts Standard 0 2.00
Engine: 160 Fusion 0 6.00
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 3.00
Cruise MP: 9
Flank MP: 14
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.00
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 .50
Armor Factor: 56 pts Standard 0 3.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 2 14
Left / Right Sides: 2 11/11
Rear: 2 10
Turret: 2 10
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Medium Laser Turret 3 1 1.00
1 Medium Laser Turret 3 1 1.00
1 Medium Laser Front 3 1 1.00
Cargo Bay Capacity Body 1 1.00
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TOTALS: 9 4 20.00
Items & Tons Left: 5 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 440,917 C-Bills
Battle Value: 358
Cost per BV: 1,231.61
Weapon Value: 154 / 154 (Ratio = .43 / .43)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 11; MRDmg = 2; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 9W, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/-, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 4
Specials: tran1
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"Wasted trip Man. Nobody said nuthin' about lockin' horns with no tigers." Oddball
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Type/Model: PzKFw IV Ausf D
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 2-FA, Standard design
Mass: 20 tons
Power Plant: 120 Maybach Fusion
Cruise Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Armor Type: Ceramic Alloy Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Harmony Mk. I Heavy Large Laser
1 Armstrong Small Small Laser
Manufacturer: Borsig Industries
Location: Terridine
Communications System: Emees 100
Targeting & Tracking System: Egam 3000
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Type/Model: PzKFw IV Ausf D
Mass: 20 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 10 pts Standard 0 2.00
Engine: 120 Fusion 0 4.00
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 2.00
Cruise MP: 6
Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.00
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 .50
Armor Factor: 90 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 5.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 2 28
Left / Right Sides: 2 17/17
Rear: 2 10
Turret: 2 18
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Large Laser Turret 8 1 5.00
1 Small Laser Front 1 1 .50
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TOTALS: 9 4 20.00
Items & Tons Left: 5 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 484,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 298
Cost per BV: 1,625.84
Weapon Value: 171 / 171 (Ratio = .57 / .57)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 8; MRDmg = 4; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 6T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 3
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/-, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 3
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Type/Model: PzKFw IV Ausf E
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 2-FA, Standard design
Mass: 25 tons
Power Plant: 150 Omni Fusion
Cruise Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Large Laser
1 Medium Laser
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: PzKFw IV Ausf E
Mass: 25 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 2.50
Engine: 150 Fusion 0 5.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 2.75
Cruise MP: 6
Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks: 11 Single 0 1.00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.25
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 .50
Armor Factor: 98 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 5.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 30
Left / Right Sides: 3 20/20
Rear: 3 10
Turret: 3 18
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Large Laser Turret 8 1 5.00
1 Medium Laser Front 3 1 1.00
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TOTALS: 11 4 25.00
Items & Tons Left: 6 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 677,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 365
Cost per BV: 1,856.16
Weapon Value: 258 / 258 (Ratio = .71 / .71)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 11; MRDmg = 5; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 6T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 4
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/-, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 4
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* CUSTOM WEAPON
Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf A
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 2-FA, Standard design
Mass: 23 tons
Power Plant: 140 Hermes Fusion
Cruise Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 Machine Gun
1 Light AC/5*
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf A
Mass: 23 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 2.30
Engine: 140 Fusion 0 5.00
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 2.50
Cruise MP: 6
Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.15
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 .50
Armor Factor: 56 pts Standard 0 3.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 15
Left / Right Sides: 3 10/10
Rear: 3 7
Turret: 3 14
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Machine Gun Front 0 109 2 1.05
1 Light AC/5* Turret 0 40 2 7.00
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TOTALS: 0 4 23.00
Items & Tons Left: 5 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 556,220 C-Bills
Battle Value: 191
Cost per BV: 2,912.15
Weapon Value: 62 / 62 (Ratio = .32 / .32)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 5; MRDmg = 3; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 6T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/-, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 2
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf E
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 23 tons
Power Plant: 140 Hermes XL Fusion
Cruise Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Ultra AC/5
1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf E
Mass: 23 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 2.50
Engine: 140 XL Fusion 2 2.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 1.50
Cruise MP: 6
Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.50
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 1.00
Armor Factor: 53 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 3.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 15
Left / Right Sides: 3 10/10
Rear: 3 6
Turret: 3 12
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Ultra AC/5 Turret 0 20 2 10.00
1 Machine Gun Front 0 100 2 1.00
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TOTALS: 0 8 23.00
Items & Tons Left: 1 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 1,446,685 C-Bills
Battle Value: 262
Cost per BV: 5,521.7
Weapon Value: 69 / 69 (Ratio = .26 / .26)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 7; MRDmg = 5; LRDmg = 3
BattleForce2: MP: 6T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 3
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf F
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 23 tons
Power Plant: 140 Hermes XL Fusion
Cruise Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Machine Gun
1 Autocannon/5
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf F
Mass: 23 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 2.50
Engine: 140 XL Fusion 2 2.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 1.50
Cruise MP: 6
Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.50
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 1.00
Armor Factor: 53 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 3.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 15
Left / Right Sides: 3 10/10
Rear: 3 6
Turret: 3 12
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Machine Gun Front 0 100 2 1.00
1 Autocannon/5 Turret 0 40 2 10.00
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TOTALS: 0 8 23.00
Items & Tons Left: 1 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 1,354,435 C-Bills
Battle Value: 203
Cost per BV: 6,672.09
Weapon Value: 62 / 62 (Ratio = .31 / .31)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 5; MRDmg = 3; LRDmg = 1
BattleForce2: MP: 6T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 2
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf G
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 26 tons
Power Plant: 160 LTV XL Fusion
Cruise Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Machine Gun
1 Rotary AC/5
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf G
Mass: 26 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 3.00
Engine: 160 XL Fusion 2 3.00
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 1.50
Cruise MP: 6
Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.50
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 1.00
Armor Factor: 53 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 3.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 15
Left / Right Sides: 3 10/10
Rear: 3 6
Turret: 3 12
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Machine Gun Front 0 100 2 1.00
1 Rotary AC/5 Turret 0 40 2 12.00
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TOTALS: 0 8 26.00
Items & Tons Left: 2 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 1,914,990 C-Bills
Battle Value: 535
Cost per BV: 3,579.42
Weapon Value: 161 / 161 (Ratio = .30 / .30)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 18; MRDmg = 11; LRDmg = 1
BattleForce2: MP: 6T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/-, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 5
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THB Weapons
Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf H
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 28 tons
Power Plant: 170 DAV XL Fusion
Cruise Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Machine Gun
1 HV AC/5 (THB)
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf H
Mass: 28 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 3.00
Engine: 170 XL Fusion 2 3.00
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 1.50
Cruise MP: 6
Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.50
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 1.50
Armor Factor: 62 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 3.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 15
Left / Right Sides: 3 14/14
Rear: 3 7
Turret: 3 12
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Machine Gun Front 0 100 2 1.00
1 HV AC/5 (THB) Turret 0 15 2 13.00
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TOTALS: 0 8 28.00
Items & Tons Left: 2 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 2,042,027 C-Bills
Battle Value: 265
Cost per BV: 7,705.76
Weapon Value: 77 / 77 (Ratio = .29 / .29)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 5; MRDmg = 4; LRDmg = 3
BattleForce2: MP: 6T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 3
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 3
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THB Weapons
Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf I
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 23 tons
Power Plant: 140 Hermes XL Fusion
Cruise Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Machine Gun
1 Caseless AC/5 (THB)
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf I
Mass: 23 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 2.50
Engine: 140 XL Fusion 2 2.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 1.50
Cruise MP: 6
Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.50
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 1.00
Armor Factor: 53 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 3.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 15
Left / Right Sides: 3 10/10
Rear: 3 6
Turret: 3 12
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Machine Gun Front 0 100 2 1.00
1 Caseless AC/5 (THB) Turret 0 60 2 10.00
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TOTALS: 0 8 23.00
Items & Tons Left: 1 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 1,411,015 C-Bills
Battle Value: 203
Cost per BV: 6,950.81
Weapon Value: 53 / 53 (Ratio = .26 / .26)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 5; MRDmg = 3; LRDmg = 1
BattleForce2: MP: 6T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 2
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf J
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 23 tons
Power Plant: 140 Hermes XL Fusion
Cruise Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Rotary AC/2
1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf J
Mass: 23 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 2.50
Engine: 140 XL Fusion 2 2.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 1.50
Cruise MP: 6
Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.50
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 1.00
Armor Factor: 53 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 3.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 15
Left / Right Sides: 3 10/10
Rear: 3 6
Turret: 3 12
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Rotary AC/2 Turret 0 90 2 10.00
1 Machine Gun Front 0 100 2 1.00
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TOTALS: 0 8 23.00
Items & Tons Left: 1 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 1,412,245 C-Bills
Battle Value: 293
Cost per BV: 4,819.95
Weapon Value: 68 / 68 (Ratio = .23 / .23)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 8; MRDmg = 5; LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2: MP: 6T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 3
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf S
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 23 tons
Power Plant: 140 Hermes XL Fusion
Cruise Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 PPC
1 Streak SRM 4
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: PzKpFw III Ausf S
Mass: 23 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 15 pts Standard 0 2.50
Engine: 140 XL Fusion 2 2.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 1.50
Cruise MP: 6
Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 1.50
Crew: 2 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 1.00
Armor Factor: 53 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 3.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 3 15
Left / Right Sides: 3 10/10
Rear: 3 6
Turret: 3 12
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 PPC Turret 10 1 7.00
1 Streak SRM 4 Front 0 25 2 4.00
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TOTALS: 10 7 23.00
Items & Tons Left: 2 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 1,605,970 C-Bills
Battle Value: 426
Cost per BV: 3,769.88
Weapon Value: 198 / 177 (Ratio = .46 / .42)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 14; MRDmg = 7; LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2: MP: 6T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/1, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 4
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Rudel Gurken
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A bunch of really interesting configurations!
Especially the III G, H and S!
But what the hell is a "Kramferwagen"?? 
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Karagin
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| Posted: 02-Aug-2007 17:26 Post subject: |
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| Rudel Gurken wrote: | A bunch of really interesting configurations!
Especially the III G, H and S!
But what the hell is a "Kramferwagen"?? |
The Kramferwagen I found mentioned as a light armored car in a badly written book about WW2 German armor, the book did have some cool pictures and color drawings, it was older like published in 1958.
The picture shows what looks like a 6 wheeled armored car with twin 20mm guns and what looked like 3 machine guns, then they had another picture showing it with a single 37mm gun.
I borrowed the name and ran with some ideas for it, going with lasers and the basics of the original. Personally I think it's a bad translation of something else and the author isn't one of the more well known writers on German WW2 Armor. The book cost me a quarter at a used book store in Seattle.
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Rudel Gurken
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Does it look like this and this?
It is the only 6 wheeled german armored vehicle of WW 2 i can think of right now.
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Rudel Gurken
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Sorry! Double post! 
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Karagin
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| Posted: 03-Aug-2007 14:04 Post subject: |
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| Rudel Gurken wrote: | Does it look like this and this?
It is the only 6 wheeled german armored vehicle of WW 2 i can think of right now. |
Yes it does but with a shorter front end.
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2007 02:13 Post subject: Validated ... strangeness. |
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Nizza Arbeit. Du ermangelst Geschichtegedanken. Ich sehe sie nicht verwendbar ohne Geschichten.
In English
Nice Work. You lack story thought. I do not see them useable without stories.
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2007 02:20 Post subject: German War Machines |
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The German war effort was both overt and covert, with the Germans using a great many non-military industries to cobble together arms units. Putting a big gun on a freight truck for example; or a sidecar with a SMG on a motorbike.
They were sneaky, by necessity, allied forces bombed the “wholly Military” production factories.
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Sleeping Dragon
Draconis Combine
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I think that they used such vehicles before allied started with bombing. Placing guns on civilian chassis could be a necessity, since they were forbidden to make most of war material before the war, so many of their designs were created under civilian guise. Heinkel 111 was for example presented as a post / light passenger carrier. For blitzkrieg they needed many guns that could be able to fire without lengthy deployment time and keep up with tanks and motorized infantry, which were new at the time. So finding a chassis that wouldn't be manufactured by their military hardware producers was vital, since the military factories were busy churning out tanks and other more sophisticated vehicles. Motorized machine gun was also quite useful as a scout with some firepower and as a raider. I think that the sidecar offered better mobility in Europe, where a net of roads was pretty good and it also was cheaper to produce, had lesser fuel consumption and last, but not least, was made elsewhere than in factories that produced other vehicles...
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Rudel Gurken
Allisters Light Thunder
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Location: Germany
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2007 11:38 Post subject: Re: Validated ... strangeness. |
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| Steel-Scorpion wrote: | Nizza Arbeit. Du ermangelst Geschichtegedanken. Ich sehe sie nicht verwendbar ohne Geschichten.
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Nice Work. You lack story thought. I do not see them useable without stories. |
Are you from Texas?
Maybe Karagin uses them outside the BT unierse?
There is no fluff on my tanks because this tanks weren't constructed for use in the BT universe but to play some WW II battles with the BT rules.
We have done the same for "The Battle of Hoth" out of the SW universe!
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Karagin
Imperial Karagin Army
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Joined: 04-Feb-2002 00:00
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Location: United States
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| Posted: 04-Aug-2007 17:57 Post subject: Re: Validated ... strangeness. |
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| Rudel Gurken wrote: | | Steel-Scorpion wrote: | Nizza Arbeit. Du ermangelst Geschichtegedanken. Ich sehe sie nicht verwendbar ohne Geschichten.
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Nice Work. You lack story thought. I do not see them useable without stories. |
Are you from Texas?
Maybe Karagin uses them outside the BT unierse?
There is no fluff on my tanks because this tanks weren't constructed for use in the BT universe but to play some WW II battles with the BT rules.
We have done the same for "The Battle of Hoth" out of the SW universe! |
These can be used in or out of the BT universe. I have used them against mechs it was fun for the afternoon game. In my BT universe, these would be used by a group called the Co-Alliance, which is made up three major powers and about a dozen smaller ones all fightings the power house called the Karagin Empire.
Stories for these would be great, but I really don't have any fluff ideas for them at this time.
Now if someone wants to play WW2 using BT rules for vehicles or something similar yet set in outer space etc...then they have the chance to have some really cool tanks and armored cars and SPGs to use...
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