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PostPosted: 04-Aug-2007 18:49    Post subject: Build a Deep Space Battle Station Prototype Reply to topic Reply with quote

Okay here is something we can play around with:

Prototype Death Star Battle Station
Craft: Custom Deep Space Battle Station Prototype
Type: Deep space mobile battle station prototype
Length: 120 kilometers (diameter)
Crew: 256, gunners: 45, skeleton: 75
Passengers: 500 (engineers, pilots, gunners, observers, etc.)
Cargo Capacity: 500 metric tons
Consumables: Two months

Using what is given above see if you guys can build something that would work for the BT universe. I know that the limits on Space Stations and such will cause some issues but I am certain that some of you can find creative ways around them...
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PostPosted: 05-Aug-2007 04:54    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Even if i make it as big as possible it will have a diameter of 1,4 km at maximum with a crew of about 700.
500 tons of cargo would be a joke and this station would be anything but MOBILE!!! Wink
If you want a mobile station it has to be small enough to be docked on a jumpship or tug.
I´LL try one.
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PostPosted: 05-Aug-2007 05:35    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

No fluff as i don't know much about your universe.
With its heavy directed anti ship weaponry it can be stationed in a direct line with a star and one of its jump points. It is equipped with a collector sail and can use its drive to hold position while its nose points towards the jump point!
So any enemy will get a nasty surprise!

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
                                  VALIDATED

Class/Model/Name:  Death Star Space Station
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type:       Space Station
Rules:             Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              100.000 tons
Length:            471 meters
Sail Diameter:     1.654 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       0
Maximum Thrust:    0
Armor Type:        Standard
Armament:         
   12 Heavy NPPC
   48 ER Large Laser
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Death Star Space Station
Mass:              100.000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                        1.200,00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 0
      Maximum Thrust: 0
Structural Integrity: 1                                              1.000,00
Total Heat Sinks:    1.700 Double                                    1.607,00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                   1.224,00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                100,00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   ,00
Food & Water:  (63 days supply)                                        272,00
Armor Type:  Standard  (6.400 total armor pts)                       7.999,50
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                              1.070
   Fore-Left/Right:                1.066/1.066
   Aft-Left/Right:                 1.066/1.066
   Aft:                               1.066

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (72) with 6 doors                               10.800,00
           Small Craft (12) with 2 doors                             2.400,00
   Bay 2:  Cargo (1) with 18 doors                                  20.967,50

DropShip Capacity:  2 Docking Hardpoints                             2.000,00
Grav Deck #1:  (460-meter diameter)                                    500,00
Life Boats:  44 (7 tons each)                                          308,00
Escape Pods:  100 (7 tons each)                                        700,00

Crew and Passengers:
     30 Officers (18 minimum)                                          300,00
     50 Crew (35 minimum)                                              350,00
     40 Gunners (20 minimum)                                           280,00
    500 2nd Class Passengers                                         3.500,00
     36 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        252,00
    204 Bay Personnel                                                     ,00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 Heavy NPPC               Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12.000,00
4 Heavy NPPC               Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12.000,00
4 Heavy NPPC               Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12.000,00
8 ER Large Laser           Nose     6(64)  6(64)  6(64)     --   96     40,00
8 ER Large Laser           FL/R     6(64)  6(64)  6(64)     --  192     80,00
8 ER Large Laser           AL/R     6(64)  6(64)  6(64)     --  192     80,00
8 ER Large Laser           Aft      6(64)  6(64)  6(64)     --   96     40,00
1 Lot Spare Parts (8,00%)                                            8.000,00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                            Heat: 3.276     100.000,00
Tons Left:                                                                ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1.293.159.000 C-Bills
Battle Value:      111.781
Cost per BV:       11.568,68
Weapon Value:      101.550 (Ratio = ,91)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 2.002;  MRV = 1.927;  LRV = 1.407;  ERV = 521
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 153.594
                   (34.710 Structure, 45.400 Life Support, 73.484 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 158.670  (103% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable


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PostPosted: 05-Aug-2007 12:12    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Rudel Gurken wrote:
Even if i make it as big as possible it will have a diameter of 1,4 km at maximum with a crew of about 700.
500 tons of cargo would be a joke and this station would be anything but MOBILE!!! Wink
If you want a mobile station it has to be small enough to be docked on a jumpship or tug.
I´LL try one.


I know the limits of space stations in the BT universe...they are really no better in design then some of the ones that have made the drawing boards at NASA etc...the idea here is to find ways around those limits with some creativeness and color...

And 500 tons of cargo means that the station like any other military base or ship would have a supply train...hence a weakness.
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PostPosted: 05-Aug-2007 17:29    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
                                  VALIDATED

Class/Model/Name:  DS 
Tech:              Clan / 3067
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 2, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              2,500,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       1
Maximum Thrust:    2
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:          
  108 Medium NPPC
   18 Heavy NPPC
  300 ER Large Laser
  300 Large Pulse Laser
  150 NL45
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  DS 
Mass:              2,500,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass  
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      150,000.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 1
      Maximum Thrust: 2
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 47)             1,131,250.00
Jump Sail: No Sail (Fusion-Charged K-F)                                   .00
Structural Integrity: 60                                           150,000.00
Total Heat Sinks:    17,865 Double                                  17,273.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  14,714.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              6,250.00
Fire Control Computers:                                            356,290.00
Food & Water:  (369 days supply)                                    22,352.75
Hyperpulse Generator:                                                   50.00
Armor Type:  Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (3,336 total armor pts)         3,000.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                556
   Fore-Left/Right:                  556/556
   Aft-Left/Right:                   556/556
   Aft:                                 556

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (36) with 2 doors                                5,400.00
   Bay 2:  Fighters (36) with 2 doors                                5,400.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (36) with 2 doors                                   5,400.00
   Bay 4:  Cargo (36) with 2 doors                                   5,400.00
   Bay 5:  Small Craft (12) with 4 doors                             2,400.00
   Bay 6:  Cargo (1) with 20 doors                                  54,526.25

DropShip Capacity:  50 Docking Hardpoints                           50,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 10:  (1652-meter diameter)                           5,000.00
Escape Pods:  2042 (7 tons each)                                    14,294.00

Crew and Passengers:
    400 Officers (240 minimum)                                       4,000.00
    700 Crew (145 minimum)                                           4,900.00
    500 Gunners (376 minimum)                                        3,500.00
    100 1st Class Passengers                                         1,000.00
    100 2nd Class Passengers                                           700.00
    100 Steerage Passengers                                            500.00
 10,000 Marines                                                     50,000.00
    204 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
6 Medium NPPC              Nose        69     69     69     69  810 10,800.00
  1 Heavy NPPC                                                  225  3,000.00
10 ER Large Laser          Nose   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  120     40.00
10 ER Large Laser          Nose   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  120     40.00
10 ER Large Laser          Nose   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  120     40.00
10 ER Large Laser          Nose   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  120     40.00
10 ER Large Laser          Nose   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  120     40.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       Nose   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  100     60.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       Nose   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  100     60.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       Nose   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  100     60.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       Nose   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  100     60.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       Nose   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  100     60.00
10 ER Large Laser          FL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  240     80.00
10 ER Large Laser          FL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  240     80.00
10 ER Large Laser          FL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  240     80.00
10 ER Large Laser          FL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  240     80.00
10 ER Large Laser          FL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  240     80.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       FL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  200    120.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       FL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  200    120.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       FL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  200    120.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       FL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  200    120.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       FL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  200    120.00
10 NL45                    FL/R        45     45     45     45 1400 18,000.00
10 NL45                    FL/R        45     45     45     45 1400 18,000.00
10 NL45                    FL/R        45     45     45     45 1400 18,000.00
10 ER Large Laser          AL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  240     80.00
10 ER Large Laser          AL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  240     80.00
10 ER Large Laser          AL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  240     80.00
10 ER Large Laser          AL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  240     80.00
10 ER Large Laser          AL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  240     80.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       AL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  200    120.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       AL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  200    120.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       AL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  200    120.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       AL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  200    120.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       AL/R   10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  200    120.00
10 NL45                    AL/R        45     45     45     45 1400 18,000.00
10 NL45                    AL/R        45     45     45     45 1400 18,000.00
10 NL45                    AL/R        45     45     45     45 1400 18,000.00
10 ER Large Laser          Aft    10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  120     40.00
10 ER Large Laser          Aft    10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  120     40.00
10 ER Large Laser          Aft    10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  120     40.00
10 ER Large Laser          Aft    10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  120     40.00
10 ER Large Laser          Aft    10(100)10(100)10(100)10(100)  120     40.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       Aft    10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  100     60.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       Aft    10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  100     60.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       Aft    10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  100     60.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       Aft    10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  100     60.00
10 Large Pulse Laser       Aft    10(100)10(100)10(100)     --  100     60.00
10 NL45                    Aft         45     45     45     45  700  9,000.00
10 NL45                    Aft         45     45     45     45  700  9,000.00
10 NL45                    Aft         45     45     45     45  700  9,000.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (2.00%)                                           50,000.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                           Heat: 35,730   2,500,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        47,149,781,400 C-Bills
Battle Value:      292,817
Cost per BV:       161,021.33
Weapon Value:      265,118 (Ratio = .91)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 23,323;  MRV = 22,489;  LRV = 16,151;  ERV = 5,550
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,905,858
                   (228,103 Structure, 868,325 Life Support, 809,430 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 2,115,600  (111% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable


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PostPosted: 05-Aug-2007 18:27    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Okay Vagabond...I think you are pretty set on cracking anything you happen to fire at...including a sun or two.
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PostPosted: 07-Aug-2007 01:51    Post subject: You asked for it Karagin Reply to topic Reply with quote

And Vagabond delivered.

And better yet, it meets your requirement of a MOBILE starbase.

I would have thought you to be happy to have a planet killer to play with. not only is it Mobile, you can cause the planets tides to go haywire, and make tje locals panic!

Megalomania is fun, with unlimited CBills and Personnel.
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PostPosted: 07-Aug-2007 05:30    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Karagin wrote:
Okay Vagabond...I think you are pretty set on cracking anything you happen to fire at...including a sun or two.


You asked for a Death Star and you've been given a Death Star. Sure, theoretically it can be easily destroyed, but it will cause some real hell till then.

72 fighter with space for 144 if you simply reassign the Cargo bays, and as the primary cargo bay can handle this extra load when considering resupply... why not.

The 50 docking give UBER flexibility. And if you use the Monitor rules... you just brought between 12 and 50 heavy hitters. If not, a few assault dropships, some Interceptors, and some Shiphunter fighters.... walla!

The main guns are capable of a combined power of 1242 pts of damage. That will crack any ship to my knowledge and cause some nice ass damage on a planet unlucky enough to be targeted for bombardment.

Overall, i was impressed with my creation.
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PostPosted: 07-Aug-2007 09:10    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Vagabond wrote:


Overall, i was impressed with my creation.


LOL! A very common statement from BattleTech folks. However, in this case, it has merit. I don't even play AeroSpace and I was impressed. Shocked
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PostPosted: 07-Aug-2007 12:19    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

LOL!

Yes I got what I asked for pretty much...was hoping for some very creative ways around the stations lack of manuvering engines etc...but still I knew someone would go the ship route.

Nice job to both of you and if it's possible could you post or email me the HMA files?

Thanks and I am looking forward to other input and such, so please feel free to post other ideas on this.
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PostPosted: 07-Aug-2007 12:39    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Next Up...

Torpedo Sphere!
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PostPosted: 07-Aug-2007 20:04    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Talen wrote:
Next Up...

Torpedo Sphere!


As you wish.... seeming as i already made it months ago.

                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
                                  VALIDATED

Class/Model/Name:  Torpedo Sphere 
Tech:              Clan / 3067
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 2, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              2,500,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            1,900 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       1
Maximum Thrust:    2
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:          
   10 Heavy NPPC
  500 Barracuda
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Torpedo Sphere 
Mass:              2,500,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass  
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      150,000.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 1
      Maximum Thrust: 2
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 47)             1,131,250.00
Jump Sail: No Sail (Fusion-Charged K-F)                                   .00
Structural Integrity: 60                                           150,000.00
Total Heat Sinks:    3,625 Double                                    3,033.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  58,854.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              6,250.00
Fire Control Computers:                                            187,500.00
Food & Water:  (1460 days supply)                                   73,643.00
Hyperpulse Generator:                                                   50.00
Armor Type:  Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (3,336 total armor pts)         3,000.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                556
   Fore-Left/Right:                  556/556
   Aft-Left/Right:                   556/556
   Aft:                                 556

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Small Craft (36) with 8 doors                             7,200.00
           Cargo (1) with 1 door                                     7,200.00
   Bay 2:  Cargo (1) with 8 doors                                  177,286.00

DropShip Capacity:  50 Docking Hardpoints                           50,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 10:  (1652-meter diameter)                           5,000.00
Escape Pods:  1682 (7 tons each)                                    11,774.00

Crew and Passengers:
    228 Officers (228 minimum)                                       2,280.00
    630 Crew (317 minimum)                                           4,410.00
    510 Gunners (510 minimum)                                        3,570.00
  8,540 Marines                                                     42,700.00
    180 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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1 Heavy NPPC               Nose        15     15     15     15  225  3,000.00
1 Heavy NPPC               Nose        15     15     15     15  225  3,000.00
1 Heavy NPPC               Nose        15     15     15     15  225  3,000.00
1 Heavy NPPC               Nose        15     15     15     15  225  3,000.00
1 Heavy NPPC               Nose        15     15     15     15  225  3,000.00
1 Heavy NPPC               Nose        15     15     15     15  225  3,000.00
1 Heavy NPPC               Nose        15     15     15     15  225  3,000.00
1 Heavy NPPC               Nose        15     15     15     15  225  3,000.00
1 Heavy NPPC               Nose        15     15     15     15  225  3,000.00
1 Heavy NPPC               Nose        15     15     15     15  225  3,000.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
25 Barracuda(500 msls)     Nose        50     50     50     50  250 17,250.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (2.00%)                                           50,000.00
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TOTALS:                                            Heat: 7,250   2,500,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        45,893,947,600 C-Bills
Battle Value:      299,066
Cost per BV:       153,457.59
Weapon Value:      207,017 (Ratio = .69)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 11,375;  MRV = 11,375;  LRV = 10,250;  ERV = 5,943
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,414,820
                   (223,295 Structure, 767,525 Life Support, 424,000 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 1,565,220  (111% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable


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