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Dead-Fish
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 Posted: 12-Oct-2002 04:43 Post subject: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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the spelling is probbaly horrid and i probbaly got a cupple of the facts wrong, but its 4:49 in the morning so be nice. now i sleep
Department : Optics weaponry
Subject : Capital ship laser retooled for use as stationary long range optic based artillery
Version number : 0.1
Changes to version : N/A
Description : The Subject was originally a NL35 Capital class laser Salvaged from an early orbital gun design. The subject was first stripped down by the design techs to try to lighten its problematic 700 ton bulk. Thing deemed unnecessary by the design team were the airtight casing equipment around the weapon, capital fire control circuits, a large amount of focusing optics, and much of the weapon’s power unit. Removing these parts left the weapon a shell of its former self, originally able to cause about 350 units of standard damage the subject could then only produce about 75. Yet this vast crippling in effectiveness came with a boon, the weight of the subject was reduced to a workable 238 tons. The Reasons for removing the parts of the subject we did are as follows.
-Airtight casing equipment – for testing purposes we it was deemed unnecessary for we would not be testing this prototype under vacuum conditions and it was also done to reduce the mass of the subject
- Capital fire control circuits – These Circuits designed to work with a capital ships arc based fire control computers was removed largely on the fact that it was not needed for the prototype is to be a stand alone piece of equipment and on that the design calls for a completely new fire control/sensor package to be added on at a later time.
- Focusing optics – These were removed for the reason that they comprised a large portion of the bulk of the subject and the range they afforded was wholly unnecessary. With all optics in place the range the subject possessed even though hampered by the atmosphere was an ungodly 650 kilometers. Being completely absurd to keep that range for the subject, as it is highly improbable that it could be pointed at a ground target at that distance with out some type of major obstruction in its los, not to mention the unthinkably massive and complex fire control and sensor package that would be required to accurately lock onto a Mech sized target at that range.
- Power unit – Much of the subjects power unit was removed for it also played a factor in the subjects range (see “- Focusing optics –“). The other reasons for the removing of much of the power unit was that first it generated far too much heat to be efficiently handled by the test bed we used for the subject’s testing, and second the power unit was the largest mass on the subject second to the focusing optics.
With the subject left at a workable mass and size we were then able to start work on a fire control / sensor package. For the control / sensor package we used a modified SBIASBL type 9 mobile long range sensor package, a long range sensor package we manufacture for use on small towers or mobile listening posts.
Test # : 0.1 - 1
Test : The Subject was moved in parts to test site Bravo where it was installed onto a large ferro-crete turreted fortification. One of the two coolant trucks we brought along with the subject was connected to provide antiquate cooling for testing. The testing was to successfully hit 5 targets placed 0.5 km apart the first starting at 0.5km range.
Results : The testing went very well along he three first targets. The data we collected told us that the type 9 sensor worked well together with the modified nl35 picking up little interference from the weapons firing. The firing it self was on target the first three targets showing that the modifications made to the focusing optics had not effectively reduced the subjects accuracy. Problems arose during stage four of the test. After firing at the fourth target there were abnormal levels of heat build up in the power unit. Because heat levels were still at containable levels and the operation of the prototype had not been effected the decision was made to continue on with the final stage of the test. To solve this problem the coolant flow to the subject was increased. A pun the fifth stage the heat problem in the power unit caused a coolant line to rupture filling the subject with freon gasses and allowing the subject to quickly over heat and damage the entire prototype.
Conclusions : The Damages prototype was disassembled and brought back to the design shop where engineers picked it apart and discovered that while removing the airtight equipment they had also removed a number of heat shields. One of these heat shields protected the area of the subject where the coolant flow controls where stored and caused heat damage to them which then shorted out and allowed too little coolant to flow through the subject causing the rupture. On a more positive note the data collected before the accident indicated that it would be very possible to create an optic based artillery piece using data collected from this experiment.
Revisions : Revisions to be considered a pun the creation of a second variant are as follows.
- Placement of heat shields – this is of the utmost importance for we experienced first hand what happened with the first prototype’s inadequate heat shielding.
- Weight reduction – Although the first prototype was only a fraction of a normal nl35’s weight it is still not at a point where it is practical in anything other then a large fortification. For the second prototype we must set a goal to make it at least light enough to be carried on a super heavy tank chasse. This means a reduction of at least 90 tons.
- Power unit – Although it would be very nice to keep the damage potential from the first subject in the second subject the design team suggested that we further shrink the power unit to reduce heat output and further reduce weight in hopes of eventually creating a working mobile prototype.
- Sensor package – Although the package preformed admirably in the testing it is believed that it should be worked on further to make it more compact and ensure reliability.
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| Posted: 12-Oct-2002 10:17 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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Hmmm. You're on to something I think Dead-Fish. Let me know when you work out the bugs. I want to have look at this.
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| Posted: 12-Oct-2002 14:44 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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Wow Even as it sits it makes seiges a VERY hazerdous thing. I would not want to be on the recieving end of a 75point blast, especially since there are going to be at least 2 of them. Then again if they had the range of the Ac20 I wouldnt mind it at all.
All in all I really like it and cant wait to see the finished version.
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| Posted: 12-Oct-2002 16:30 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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I think the scarier thing, Stinger, would be the wave effect. I imagine these lasers function like artillery, one hex direct hit and it radiates outward for smaller strikes on any of the adjoining hexes. 'Course, that could be only when you are targetting a direct hex.
Suggestion time:
Hex aiming:
Less damage overall, but a wave effect.
Unit Aiming:
One big shot, no wave.
The laser could have two fire modes. What do you think, Dead-Fish?
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| Posted: 12-Oct-2002 16:43 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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--Shudders-- UBER artillery.
Well no mech factory would fall unless its bombarded from space.
Could you imagin the Mercs getting that contract.
If I was the factory owner on a border I would buy about 8 and arm my factory. And then I would make a Commercial showing the latest mech and make sure that the new defencive weapons were shown 
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| Posted: 12-Oct-2002 17:20 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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well a few of my thoughts.
1) i have no intention of letting the final product do that much damage. it would just be too cheap.
2) major your unit aiming hex aiming idea is pritty cool , but the weapon would have to switch over to a completely different set of optics to change firing modes. a possible sollution would be to have two versions like normal and pluse.
3)The problem with using the weapon in its current form is such a large expensive weapon would be a sitting duck for other arty and in most cases would just quickly become a costly loss.
4) im also thinking about adding a minimum range and a rule that the mobile unit must stay stationary to fire the weapon
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| Posted: 12-Oct-2002 17:51 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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well a few of my thoughts.
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My personal opinion is that the weapon is so large, that having two in a vehicle/emplacement is unlikely. Instead, perhaps the laser would have to shut down for a few turns to switch over? Change optics lens and reboot the T&T System?
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4) im also thinking about adding a minimum range and a rule that the mobile unit must stay stationary to fire the weapon
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Also very sensible.
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| Posted: 12-Oct-2002 18:28 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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So out of curiosity what is the current range?
And yes it may be a sitting duck in a fixed location. BUT. supposedly so were the German 88's at omaha beach. They were in such hardened structures that only a close assult could really neutralize them. If they are in harneded bunkers like that then other arty is only a problem till the aerospace assets find them.
I see these as fixed bunker locations for Mech/vehicle factories. In hardened bunkers out front of the building. If its going to be a point defence system than I would make its range compareable to the Sniper or the Thumper. And make 2 versions of the gun. the Pulse variant and the regular.
If it was me incharge of the factory. My set up would be.
2 Weapons per side (one reg one Pulse) in hardened/super hardened bunkers.
4 to 8 Yellowjackets
4 to 8 Krestley's (to deploy troops)
And any mechforce that I could keep on hand with remaining payroll.
I think it would be safe to say that this is a common garrison force for any factory. And if my factory was close to a Border I would expect at least an additional 3 companies of mechs to be deployed by the House in a near by outpost. And since it takes days to arrive onplanet after getting in system, any uninvited dropship traffic does and should alert the defenders to a threat. (After the 1st day of hailing the inbound dropship with no response a intellegent commander is going to go on yellow alert.)
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| Posted: 12-Oct-2002 19:35 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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And I would have three or four Stukas loaded down for massive Arrow IV barrages.  There are no perfect defenses.
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| Posted: 13-Oct-2002 00:22 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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I never said it was perfect. Just saying that this is what I would use as defence.
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| Posted: 13-Oct-2002 03:19 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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| against what? 14 rct's of ubermunchkin-deathcommando monkeys
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| Posted: 13-Oct-2002 03:21 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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| And yes i think it needs work. The design is sound but it needs to have plenty of limitations.
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| Posted: 13-Oct-2002 04:25 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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OMG you didn't...........
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| Posted: 13-Oct-2002 08:36 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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are you trying to make this thing mobile too?
You could have 2 variates- one mobile and one static. If you go mobile, then you could use a multipile vehicle setup like one for targeting, the weapon itself, one for power unit. that would be similiar to some of the proto type heavy weapons from WWII.
Interesting idea, but it comes under my "Quigley Factor- Personally, never had much use for one".
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| Posted: 13-Oct-2002 10:47 Post subject: RE: latest piece of crap churned out by SBIASBL inc. |
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Here's a problem with this...
At the same level as the artillery, I hid behind three light woods hexes. Light, i.e. lasers, can only shoot in a direct line. Which means you can only target a hex you can see. Can't see me, can't hit me. Yes, this would make a devastating point defence, but only if it was on a higher elevation and had look down/shoot down advantage.
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