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Wanallo
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 Posted: 19-Feb-2004 11:21 Post subject: Victor problem? |
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I thought that the Victor mech was named after Victor Stiener-Davion? Thats what all the sources i read point to. So if the mech was available in 3025, how could it have been. Unless it was named after him as a child?
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-Mud
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| Posted: 19-Feb-2004 11:40 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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| It goes the other way around; Victor Davion was named after the 'mech. Of course his Victor got shot out from under him.
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ralgith
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| Posted: 19-Feb-2004 11:57 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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On 2004-02-19 11:40, -Mud wrote:
It goes the other way around; Victor Davion was named after the 'mech. Of course his Victor got shot out from under him.
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Actually he was named Victor in his father's hope for victory. But he piloted the mech until it was shot out from under him, then he got Prometheus.
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Havoc~Ronin
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| Posted: 19-Feb-2004 12:27 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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The Victor was named by the designers' in the belief that this assault mech would typically be victorious on the battlefield. Additionally, a member of Davion royalty did possess that name either just before or during that time. The Vicotr was to be the pride of the Davion assault mechsm, however in an ironical twist, Kurita captured the factory soon after the line began production.
How the fates conspire.......
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ralgith
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| Posted: 19-Feb-2004 12:33 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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Didn't the Davion's re-aquire the factory during the 4th war?
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| Posted: 19-Feb-2004 12:44 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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They might have, but only to lose it again in 3039. Can anyone confirm this? I think that the Snakes held possesion of the Victor plant up until the Clans attacked.
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ralgith
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| Posted: 19-Feb-2004 13:00 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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I'd like to know, as I don't have the relevent source materiel and/or novels. My sourcebook collection is kinda sad atm:
BMR
Max Tech
FM: Mercs
Jade Falcon Sourcebook
Battleforce 2 (got this one for free....YAY...umm wait..boring, but good charts)
Record Sheets: 3050
" " 3055/58
" " 3060
Battlepack 4th Succession war
I have pdf versions of some others, but only the ones off the classicbattletech.com and those are still work in progress.
Anyone wanna offload all their source?  
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js
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| Posted: 20-Feb-2004 04:51 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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Going by memory here:
The Victor is produced on Quentin, St. Ives, and Styk.
The Quentin plant was taken by Wolf's Dargoons several years before the 4th SSW. The FS recaptured it at some point, presumably during the war. The Dracs retook it in '39 and have held it ever since. The Quentin plant has traded hands numerous times between the FS and DC over the centuries.
The Styk plant was taken by the FS in the 4th SSW, but was badly damaged. It is unclear, but production seems to have ceased entirely for a decade or two. In any case, the plant was back on line in time for the Clan invasion (presumably at reduced capacity). After Operation Geurrero in '58 the FC lost control of the plant, but retained at least part of its production capacity for a while. Currently the plant in under control of the CC. (It is also unclear if the Victor was produced on Styk before the 4th SSW - it is not listed as being produced there in House Liao.)
The St. Ives plant seems to have started production of the Victor sometime before the Clan invasion and is now, of course, also under the control of the CC since St. Ives is no longer independent.
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ralgith
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| Posted: 20-Feb-2004 05:05 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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I would think that if the FedCom really wanted to make the mech they could produce it at another factory. But then, who knows. The BT universe is quite large and it gets hard to track everything.
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| Posted: 20-Feb-2004 19:14 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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The authors should have ended him right there.
[ This Message was edited by: Gangrene on 2004-02-20 19:14 ]
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| Posted: 20-Feb-2004 19:31 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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| Too true. Hanse was cool...Victor was always just a little brat.
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ralgith
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| Posted: 20-Feb-2004 20:25 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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Now I don't think he did too bad once he matured. However he was very naive and sheltered from normal life, which has a lot to do with his being a "little brat".
Besides Mud, you just don't like him cause of what he did to your clan on Coventry
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Rarich
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| Posted: 20-Feb-2004 23:13 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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The Mech has been around WAY longer than the Prince. Ardan Sortek, Hanse's best buddy piloted a Victor way back in 3000. I believe the Victor dates back to StarLeague.
Not named after anyone as far as the original fluff said. The Main Factory was taken in the 4TH SW by Kurita, but there was a second one in the new Sarna March on Styk. I think production on the Victor stopped in favor of another mech when the clans arrived. I do not know what happened to Styk during the 3057 eruption.
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| Posted: 21-Feb-2004 02:37 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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| By that time the storyline was so fractured I really stopped paying attention. One of these days I'm going to write up an alternate history of the 3050s. This is the period where FASA really started to loose it.
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js
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| Posted: 21-Feb-2004 02:37 Post subject: RE: Victor problem? |
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| Oh no, certainly not! Victor is great. So many people hate him it makes him interesting. I fail to see how one could be a big Victor fan, but there are plenty of those around, too. Nope, Voctor is a far more interesting character than his father simply because he is so much more controversial. (Of course, he has also been provided a bit more - but still not a lot - of character depth than Hanse ever had.)
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