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PostPosted: 07-May-2002 18:55    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

Have any of you tankers heard of this? its a cooperative South Korean/Russian tank.

I can give you what i found on it...

Dimensions: (mm) L7,000+? x W3,582 x H1,800(?!) x 451 clearance
Weight: 50.0? metric tons
Crew: 3?

Engine: 1,200 hp 16-cyl. turbo-diesel engine
Max Road Speed: ? km/h
Max X-country Speed: ? km/h
Power/Weight: 24? hp/tn
Ground Pressure: ? kg/sq.cm
Range: ? km

Obstacle negotiation:
Fording depth: ? m
Trench width: ? m
Vertical obstacle: ? m
Maximum gradient: ?°

Weapons
Main Weapon: 125mm 2A46M* smoothbore
Rate of fire: 10-12? rounds/min
Ammunition: 40? rounds
Ammunition Types: APFSDS, HEAT, HEF
ATGM through main gun?
Auxiliary armament: UNKNOWN

Equipment
Rangefinder: laser?
Night Vision: thermal imager?
Fire Control: ?
Jammers: No active jammers?
Active protection: Drozd-2

Onboard Computer: ?
on-board information system: subsystems status, GPS,
HQ & units link

Other: NBC, auto-fire-fighting equipment,
self-digging blade, air conditioning

Front armor extremely sloped; new generation "Kaktus" ERA

http://armor.vif2.ru/Tanks/MBT/b_eagle1.jpg

there's a pic.

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PostPosted: 07-May-2002 19:23    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

Hmmm. I've never heard of it, and as a tanker, it's my job to know about these things!

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PostPosted: 07-May-2002 20:28    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

Are you talking about the T-90? That is not a SK/Russian project...according to Janes that is the only known tank as of Decemeber of last year with the name Black Eagle.

The picture you linked is of the T-90, which is a solely Russian project.

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PostPosted: 07-May-2002 23:07    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

http://www.armscontrol.ru/atmtc/Arms_systems/Land/Tanks/Cherny_Orel/Cherny_Orel_MBT.htm
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PostPosted: 07-May-2002 23:13    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

I don't believe its a T-90. The site listed it as something else. The T-90 had its own page. Let me go look and see.... its being built by Omsk Plant and is, in russian, Chiorny Oriol. it is built off of the T-80U chassis, but has a seventh roadwheel on each side.

Its shorter then the T-80 becuase the crew compartment is no longer near the gun because of an autoloader.

Here are pictures of the Turret of a T-90 -

http://armor.vif2.ru/Tanks/IMAGES/t-90001.jpg

http://armor.vif2.ru/Tanks/MBT/t-90s2.jpg

And here is the Black Eagle -
http://armor.vif2.ru/Tanks/MBT/b_eagle3.gif

http://armor.vif2.ru/Tanks/MBT/b_eagle2.jpg

As you can tell there are some serious differences between the Black Eagle and the T-90. I don't know what the latest Jane book says, as I do not have it, but these pictures (one of them from the Armor show in Greece in 1999), are definitly different enough to make me think that the Black Eagle is a different tank. Maybe Canadian Intel will have something that Alexander can share.

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PostPosted: 08-May-2002 00:22    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

Just checked another armor book, TANKS OF THE WORLD copyright 2001, p284-285 states that it is a Russian tank that is built for an armor show in 1997.

Janes says it's an extention of the T-90 line, and with further check they also say that the Black Eagle is an export tank only.

Given the status of the Russian Federation, I don't see them making a lot of these do to cost.

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PostPosted: 08-May-2002 09:16    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

I don't imagine them buying a lot either, but until I saw this picture i thought I was fairly well versed in Russian Armor and its deployment. Sorta gave me a rude surprise. Beautiful tank though, i love the turret. That thing would do well on tank to tank duels. I wonder what South Korea thinks is going to happen in the next few years?

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PostPosted: 08-May-2002 16:26    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

Where are you getting the info on the South Koreans buying these?

They did buy some T-80s from the Russian but I can not find any info on them buying the Black Eagle. Could you post your source on this, I am very interested in reading about this.

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PostPosted: 08-May-2002 19:39    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say it's a NORTH Korean/Russian joint venture. South Korea is an American weapons purchaser, whereas the North is deep in Russia's military equipment fold.

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PostPosted: 08-May-2002 19:52    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

While SK does buy weapons from the US, they did buy some T-80s from Russia a few years back. Jane's seemed to think they were for training and testing usage only.

And if the North Koreans are buying tanks, how are they paying for it? Report after reports talk about them being on the verge of famine and worse. So how are they going to be able to buy a state of the art or close to it tank? The cost of one would feed a lot of folks in NK....

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PostPosted: 08-May-2002 22:34    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

Let me give you guys the sites I got the information from. For one you need to be able to read Russian.

Russian:
http://news.vif2.ru/index.shtml

English:
http://armor.vif2.ru/

There ya go.

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PostPosted: 08-May-2002 22:49    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

Thanks.

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PostPosted: 08-May-2002 23:42    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

Hell, I'm sure S Korea has a few Russian tanks kicking around. Even we have a few up in Canada. A bunch are on the tank ranges in Gagetown, New Brunswick, where they make great targets. We even have a T-72 sitting on the Garrison here in Edmonton.

And, as for N. Korea? They concentrate heavily on their military, in the hopes of one day freeing the oppressed South from it's Capitalist overlords!!! They do this even to the detriment of their own people. Communist countries are notorious for doing things like that. State then the people. It was like that in the Balkans, and in Hungary, and it was very noticable in the way the peole act, and how they are as countries now.

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PostPosted: 09-May-2002 05:04    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

Why would S. Korea want to by any Russian tank? They have their own copy of the M1 called the K1 and the K1A1. And no I am not making the name up.



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PostPosted: 09-May-2002 08:48    Post subject: The Black Eagle MBT Reply to topic Reply with quote

They might want to design their own tanks for the reason we design ours: military independence. Remember what the Prince syas "Never be dependent on another country for the basics of survival: Food, Trade, and War."

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