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Kalo Osis
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 Posted: 21-Mar-2006 18:17 Post subject: Towed Artillery or Self Propelled Artillery? |
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Now, I have never come across any custom designs for towed artillery, nor have I ever heard of one, but perhaps one of you have. I know there are several self propelled artillery tanks utilizing Thor and Sniper artillery cannons, and I was just wondering if there is a towed version of either. Some may ask why, so I will say why. Self propelled artillery is maneuverable and versatile, but in our modern world they can be quite expensive. Towed artillery is more affordable and much lighter (Can be carried by helicopters), but less versatile. So, of you have towed artillery info, please post it here.
[ This Message was edited by: Kalo Osis on 2006-03-21 18:18 ]
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Nightmare
Lyran Alliance
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| Posted: 21-Mar-2006 18:54 Post subject: RE: Towed Artillery or Self Propelled Artillery? |
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I think there's something about such in MaxTech. Field Guns for infantry?
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AWAD
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| Posted: 21-Mar-2006 19:25 Post subject: RE: Towed Artillery or Self Propelled Artillery? |
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Yes it is field guns not artillery but you could use the same rules. You need one man for every ton of the weapon. Not realistic, but this is Btech. The bigger issuse is the ammo. Look at the wieght, maybe that is why you need so many people.
A few items like it would take 3 rounds to change a hex face? 6 rounds to move one hex as long as it was flat. Time to limber and unlimber and how it would affect vehicle movement would have to be taken into effect.
But for the cheap and classic 20th century idea of artillery that would work.
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 21-Mar-2006 23:34 Post subject: RE: Towed Artillery or Self Propelled Artillery? |
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BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Type/Model: Yuk Yuk
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Wheeled Omni Trailer
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 45 tons
Power Plant: None
Cruise Speed: None. Trailer pulled by Tractor.
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 Long Tom Artillery
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Yuk Yuk
Mass: 45 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 25 pts Standard 0 4.50
Engine: None 0 .00
Cruise MP: None. BV based on 1 MP
Heat Sinks: 0 Single 0 .00
Crew: 3 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment (Locked): 0 3.00
Armor Factor: 40 pts Standard 0 2.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 5 12
Left / Right Sides: 5 8/8
Rear: 5 5
Turret: 5 7
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Long Tom Artillery Turret 0 25 2 35.00
1 Trailer Hitch Front 1 .00
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TOTALS: 0 3 45.00
Items & Tons Left: 11 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 895,781 C-Bills
Battle Value: 184
Cost per BV: 4,868.38
Weapon Value: 35 / 35 (Ratio = .19 / .19)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 12; MRDmg = 12; LRDmg = 12
BattleForce2: MP: 1W, Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/2, Overheat: 0
Class: GM; Point Value: 2
Specials: omni, artL, mof
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Vagabond
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| Posted: 21-Mar-2006 23:47 Post subject: RE: Towed Artillery or Self Propelled Artillery? |
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now in all seriousness.
BTech kinda has various sources that can be used for or already define Towed Artillery. First, which has been mentioned, is field guns. This allows motorized infantry to deploy any ballistic or missile weapon at 1 ton per man. The rules cover deployment, use, and fire arcs.
The second are hand held weapons for Mechs. You can adapt those rules for portable artillery. The rules cover armor, ammo, and weapon. A few rules to cover deployment, to cover fire arc, and ect.
the third is just the standard artillery rules. Off board artillery. Pretty much is towed artillery placed into batteries.
My own take would be to consider them as external cargo and use the rules for field guns. Unlike field guns, you only need a crew of 7 men. That is my opinion.
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ralgith
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| Posted: 22-Mar-2006 02:05 Post subject: RE: Towed Artillery or Self Propelled Artillery? |
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Fairly sure there is canon towed arty somewhere... or maybe it was just mentioned in fluff on the mobile long tom. Been sooooo long since I really cared 
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Rudel Gurken
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| Posted: 22-Mar-2006 06:20 Post subject: RE: Towed Artillery or Self Propelled Artillery? |
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We have played with towed guns (AC´s as well as artillery)since the introduction of the J-27 and its trailer! We simply constructed armed trailers with a gun placed in the rear and no armor in front but some to the rear and sides(imitating the shield some older fieldguns had)!
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Kalo Osis
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| Posted: 22-Mar-2006 11:24 Post subject: RE: Towed Artillery or Self Propelled Artillery? |
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Intresting, I may begn toplay around with that.
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AWAD
Draconis Combine
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| Posted: 22-Mar-2006 17:37 Post subject: RE: Towed Artillery or Self Propelled Artillery? |
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I wonder if in the new vehicile TR FAS..... whoops Wizkids is releasing will cover towed weaponery a little more. They have 10 more days to meet their Q1 release date:)
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 24-Mar-2006 10:10 Post subject: RE: Towed Artillery or Self Propelled Artillery? |
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Finally! I knew I saw it somewhere...
on p.44 of Maximum Tech revised:
Field artillery
Technically it's a motorized infantry unit with 1MP, facing and turret firing arc fixed forward. It must expend MP to change facing and may not fire when it moves. Any successful attack, no matter how much damage it dealt, destroys field artillery.
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