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 Posted: 24-Oct-2006 11:03 Post subject: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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So I just downloaded the most recent version of megamek onto my new dual-core laptop (!!!  ) and this is going to be my first test run of the new setup later today.
So here's a pretty typical Davion vs. Kurita matchup. The Whitworth has a lot of advantages in this one. Better armor, longer range, better point defense weapons. The Panther's only real advantage is the potential for its PPC to deliver concentrated damage on the Whitworth, and advantage that can easily backfire if the location rolls don't cooperate.
The Panther would probably have a better pilot though...after all, everyone knows that Fedrats can't walk and shoot LRMs at the same time 
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| Posted: 24-Oct-2006 12:37 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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God this is a interesting one. instincts tell me that the panther should win this most of the time. But I think it mostly all comes down to what maps are being used, if its clear and the pilots are even I think the whit worth will have a minor advantage. If its wooded I think the panther is going to win. But I really think this comes down to strategy and a whole lot of lucky die rolls..
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| Posted: 24-Oct-2006 14:52 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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I voted for the PNT, but that doesn't mean that the WTH is without any chance. The reasons for saying that the PNT is going to win is obvious.
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| Posted: 24-Oct-2006 15:09 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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Thw whitworth will win 7 out of 10 times...
Mostly based on armor.
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Sleeping Dragon
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| Posted: 24-Oct-2006 15:53 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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Maybe, but I'm a PNT fun
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| Posted: 24-Oct-2006 16:41 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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I voted for the Whitworth.
With matching movement rendering mobility a moot point I looked at the armor and weapons.
Big glaring point first up. The Whitworth mounts a noticable 1.5 tons more. Basically he has slightly more armor than 2 PPC blasts over the Panther.
Now we look at weaponry. The Panther's PPC is the most formidable weapon in this duel. With a SRM-4 for support it is an effective arsenal. The Whitworth's close in weaponry can(provided all weapons hit) match the Panther's entire weapon load out for damage if not range. The Panther can inflict up to 18 damage a round though will average out in the 14-16 range. The Whitworth's trio of medium lasers make an even 15. Now you add the twin LRM-10's and there is a glaring advantage over the Panther.
Now, two factors come in to help the Panther out. Firstly, and mainly, heat. Comes down to it, the Panther can fire all it's weaponry when stationary and gain no heat. Add movement and there is a slight gain which can be easily moderated and controlled. The Whitworth however has some heat issues that need to be watched as the battle unfolds. The Whitworth can fire it's laser compliment and walk with no gain in heat. In this respect it is similar to the Panther. However, to hit the Panther at range the Whitworth will need to fire it's LRM-10's. Now comes the fun part. When in the range area between 5-9 hexes out the Panther has a much more efficient useability in it's weapon firing choices. The Whitworth pilot must take care in what is fired as uncontrolled blasting can lead to a very short duel. But heat management is made simple by the fact that the two weapon systems (missle and laser) are easily used at differing ranges.
The second thing that will sway things to the Panther is ammo. Provided the Whitworth fires both launchers at the same time, he will have 12 rounds of firing at long ranges while the Panther can fire it's PPC until the cows come home. If the Panther runs out of SRM rounds it's no really big loss as it's PPC is it's main weapon. With no ammo the Panther can try to get out of the laser range of the Whitworth and tear it up.
Last point is melee combat. Whitworth is bigger and can cause more damage. The panther has hands which may(not sure on the rules) give it a better to hit on punches. Can also pick up a club if desired.
So it can be a very close match depending on the pilot's and a little bit on terrain. But I feel the Whitworth can come out the winner more often than not.
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| Posted: 24-Oct-2006 16:47 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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I just ran a test match in megamek...4/5 pilots in both 'mechs, and used the standard battletech mapsheet. I piloted the Panther and gave the Whitworth to a bot. The Whitworth was winning in the beginning by chipping away with its LRMs, but I quickly closed in and scored double critical hits with punches to the engine and the gyro. After that it was just a matter of taking the overheating whitworth down. Finally killed it with a kick to the rear left torso which forced it to fall down. Its ammo then blew up from heat.
I like that in the new megamek you can gun down the opposing mechwarrior after he ejects. Its a nice touch
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| Posted: 24-Oct-2006 16:48 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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Now play the Whitworth and give the Panther to the bot.
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| Posted: 24-Oct-2006 19:23 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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Agree, need to run it form both sides to really get a feel for the battle.
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| Posted: 25-Oct-2006 00:02 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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Being a whitworth driver, I obviously have a stake in this, but I've actually played this a lot (actually, I normally take the panther and another light mech versus the whitworth and a light screener: a stinger or a wasp).
But anyway, I normally win, against either human or bot.
In my experience, unless the Panther with the PPC gets a really lucky hit to the head or torso, the reliability of hitting with at least 1 MedLas on the Panther's weak armor wins the day.
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| Posted: 25-Oct-2006 16:22 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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On 2006-10-24 11:03, mud wrote:
So here's a pretty typical Davion vs. Kurita matchup.
The Panther would probably have a better pilot though...after all, everyone knows that Fedrats can't walk and shoot LRMs at the same time
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Dear Kurita Breathern, uhh, the Whitworth is a very common Mech of the DCMS in sevice to the coordinator.
But I agree Rats can not walk and shoot LRMS. Too dense to understand arched flight, they need direct fire ACs for thier simple minds.
But I chose the Whitworth to win. I say 5 out of 8 it will win.
Panther is a light Mech killer and the Whitworth is a support Mech for Medium and Light Lances.
AWAD- 2 Whitworths, 1 Panther and 1 Jenner, that is a mean Kurita Lance
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| Posted: 27-Oct-2006 16:55 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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Whitworths show up on both sides of the border with regularity. Maybe its a bit more common in Kurita service though.
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| Posted: 27-Oct-2006 17:35 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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Well, I finally got around to running this as the Whitworth pilot, and the Panther soundly beat me.
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| Posted: 28-Oct-2006 23:36 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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I tried it from both sides actually. First round as the panther pilot, with in 9 rounds the Panther was missing the PPC and a leg. But I attribute that first round to the comp cheating, hits came with the comp needing 10, 11 and 12, (4/5 pilots both sides, both jumping, and well under minimum range he needed 12 for his LRM's and hit with both both racks hit all missiles.) The second round I was pounding the Panther and finally killed him 3 rounds after I ran out of missiles. Though I was a little sloppy trying to get hits at 11 and 12 several times.
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| Posted: 29-Oct-2006 09:12 Post subject: RE: PNT-9R Panther vs. WTH-1 Whitworth |
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The PPC is the Panther's vulnerable spot. I guess this is why Panther's like to work in packs.
I played the game again as the Whitworth pilot, and the Panther was giving me as good as he got (including knocking out one of my LRM launchers), until I got a lucky hit on his PPC. Then I just had to sit back and pound him with the LRMs.
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