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 Posted: 25-Jan-2008 00:59 Post subject: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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I've always been interested in the fall of the Star League and I was bored so I was reading the enteries on Terra and the near-by planets and I noticed something odd.
A lot of the enteries mention the Amaris coup and the actions of his forces but none of them mention any civilian resistance to his forces. Given the stunts his forces pulled it seems like there should have been constant civilian uprisings and resistance movements. Were they just not listed or did they not exist?
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| Posted: 25-Jan-2008 01:52 Post subject: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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Probably not listed. Amaris is described as massively brutal generally, so any resistance was likely met with overwhelming force. Not saying there wasn't resistance, in fact, there was, especially on Terra itself. But they were forced to operate a guerrilla style campaign, probably including targeted terrorism.
Much like the Word of Blake currently deals with on Terra, really.
Specially, one of the founders of Clan Coyote (among my more favorite clans), was part of a Native American tribe that had been resisting Amaris's rule.
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| Posted: 25-Jan-2008 02:14 Post subject: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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Could also be that Kerensky ordered citizens of taken planets to stay calm to prevent unnecessary loss of civilian life and then just initiated revolts when he had armies ready to support them. A revolt without support from the outside can be a bloody affair (like the uprising in Warsaw in 1944 when the red army had an 'unexpected' delay).
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| Posted: 25-Jan-2008 17:31 Post subject: Re: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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| Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | Could also be that Kerensky ordered citizens of taken planets to stay calm to prevent unnecessary loss of civilian life and then just initiated revolts when he had armies ready to support them. A revolt without support from the outside can be a bloody affair (like the uprising in Warsaw in 1944 when the red army had an 'unexpected' delay). |
Based on what I've read Amaris's troops were quite willing to shoot at civilan targets with out being provoked so I don't really see the logic in thinking that if the civilians stayed calm they wouldn't be targeted.
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| Posted: 26-Jan-2008 03:37 Post subject: Re: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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You know, there is shooting one or two civilians a month and there is organized genocide. SS and Gestapo occasionally shot someone, especially with martial law in effect, but it's completely different when a city decides to revolt with rifles, molotovs and portable anti-armour weapons against an army equipped with heavy weapons and no desire to leave the city standing. Without help from the outside it really isn't easy to win a war. Where will you hide your children and the elderly people, what are you going to eat when there is no help coming from the outside, because the enemy controls all supply lines...
If the Amaris decided that he doesn't care whether he rules only bones and dust, then even a domain wide successful uprising would cost the SL many burned worlds with 0 infrastructure and huge numbers of refugees / people starved to death. Not all worlds were even terraformed, with population concentrated in a few spots. Where is the 'run to the hills' plan going to end? There could be some guerrilla groups, but nothing large scale IMO.
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| Posted: 26-Jan-2008 14:35 Post subject: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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Some planets got nuked to dust and others had the support systems that helped keep the planet habitable targeted by Amaris's troops without doing anything though. At that point there's nothing left to lose by fighting back.
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| Posted: 27-Jan-2008 02:54 Post subject: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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And were these incidents really unprovoked? Or were there uprisings before?
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| Posted: 27-Jan-2008 10:48 Post subject: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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Given that there were no mentions of any uprising I would say unprovoked.
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| Posted: 27-Jan-2008 11:42 Post subject: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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Actually it could be anything. Amaris probably knew that he didn't have the manpower to keep everything under control so I can imagine him ordering such things for minor transgressions to prevent anything from evolving to serious revolt.
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| Posted: 11-Feb-2008 01:43 Post subject: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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Don't forget that there were still Star League forces around the Terran Hegemony still loyal to Kerensky. For example, the Eridani Light Horse performed extensive raiding operations during the Amaris era to aid the inevitable return of Kerensky and his army. Also, there was considerable political maneuvering going on by house lords (I'm looking at you Kuritans).
For the majority of civilians, life probably didn't change all that much. Even in the examples you've given, civilian resistance tends to be entirely reactionary. Would-be despots tend to go through a series of steps to shut down a free society. These steps break down civilian's expectations of a governing body until they believe its perfectly normal for their neighbors to be dragged into the street and shot in the head.
Sorry...bit of a rant. In any case, I think some fiction about civilian resistance to Amaris is definitely in order. I always enjoy hearing about what a civilian's life could be like in 2770.
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| Posted: 17-Feb-2008 11:45 Post subject: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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Well they are putting out a new TRO that comes close to covering some things that would be around in this era...
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| Posted: 17-Feb-2008 14:13 Post subject: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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A TRO from this era? I heard about 3039 and 3075 TROs, but not about this one. Any details?
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| Posted: 17-Feb-2008 19:51 Post subject: Re: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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| Sleeping Dragon wrote: | | A TRO from this era? I heard about 3039 and 3075 TROs, but not about this one. Any details? |
The 3075 one has a lot of older stuff in it, like early mechs and such...so it wouldn't be too difficult to use some of that for the Amaris time frame...adding in the mechs from 3025 and 2750 TROs as well as those that would have been around that crop up in the 3058 and later TROs...
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| Posted: 18-Feb-2008 21:41 Post subject: Re: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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| Karagin wrote: | | Well they are putting out a new TRO that comes close to covering some things that would be around in this era... |
When does it come out?
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| Posted: 18-Feb-2008 23:00 Post subject: Re: Amaris era/Fall of the Star League |
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Check the CBT webpage...I am going to say some time later this year, say between May to September time frame...but that is my guess, given that they do keep pulling the FASA-ish move of delaying things more often then not...but they are a lot better then FASA ever was at getting things out on time.
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